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24 August 2011 @ 10:09 am
Bleach 461 Up  
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MangaStream's translation won't be up for another day or so. MangaStream's version is up.

I guess Ichigo was out of practice after 17 months. I don't think he deliberately missed to mess with Ginjou, but who knows. He nails the second shot, at any rate.

Ginjou notes that Ichigo's all powered up, and that giving Ichigo Fullbring seems to have made Ichigo stronger. This seems to confirm that yes, the new accessories on Ichigo are remnants of his Fullbring.

After thinking Ginjou's taken care of (where the heck did Tsukishima go?), Ichigo stops to feel everyone's power inside him.

A whole bunch of people - all the captains and vice-captains, as well as random others (Hanatarou, Yoruichi, Urahara, and Isshin) - also contributed their reiatsu to Urahara's sword. Yamajii's getting a bit soft, huh? Even going so far as to acknowledge and dismiss the fact that he's ordering all the captains and VCs to commit a crime. Toushirou attributes this change in Yamajii to Ichigo and Ichigo changing Soul Society. That's actually rather sweet.

I still hope this means Shinji is a captain now though. ._.

Anyway, Ginjou pops back up with Ichigo's Fullbring power, and surprise (or not), he's the past substitute shinigami. :3

Overall, ridiculously short chapter (even if it was for Ichigo to show off, but all that freaking white space and those huge panels...), but it had nice shinigami bonding moments and the shinigami revealing they are grateful to Ichigo and have changed because of him. Also, we see flashbacks of some familiar, yet not entirely forgotten, faces. (Also, Nii-sama looks like he still has hair accessories? Or something.)

_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on August 24th, 2011 02:19 pm (UTC)

Thank you Jackieness. <3

Chapter seemed short but the information was wonderful. I SPY HANATAROU AND SHINJI! I'm one of those who has been hoping HARD HARD HARD for Shinji to be back in SS and promoted to Captain and this just makes me hope harder.

I got the warm fuzzies about the whole payback to Ichigo deal. Ichigo changes everyone and everything he touches--SS EVEN! Captain Commander! Wow! And the sight of Urahara kneeling before the old man gives me the thrill bubbles.

Maybe Hana is a VC? Or he put some of his reiatsu in the sword for old times sake?

The Kamen rider costume actually looks pretty bad ass on Ginjou whereas it looked stupid on Ichigo.

I guess we're gonna get a fight now. I don't believe for one second Ichigo missed--so maybe no fight? I really don't see what Ginjou's done to deserve anything more than a really bad ass-whooping so maybe it won't be a long fight. I don't see the Shinigami there fighting anyone else bc really, that would be overkill. Do they want to arrest Ginjou? Why are they ALL there?

I can wait to see nakama reactions for a couple weeks. This is what happens when you've got a cast of gazillions--some just have to drop offstage for a bit.

I'm sure Ishida isn't bleeding to death and Urahara has healed him by now.
Nardz (Rukia-chan)kookynella on August 24th, 2011 02:27 pm (UTC)
Oh yes Shinji is one of my favourite characters, I've always found him aesthetically pleasing, even though he looks creepy sometimes, lol like Ikakku & his rapefaces, lol missed those guys alot & wondered what happened to the Vaizard, I didn't think they would all return readily to SS if welcomed back so interesting to see who's there & who isn't.

& when I read that whole Ichigo changing ppl he met/SS reminds me of Naruto, which always gives me warm fuzzies, whereas Bleach usually doesn't but I get a whole lot more excited for Bleach than any other manga, most of it due to the IchiRuki content & all round hot cast.
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Nardz (Rukia-chan)kookynella on August 24th, 2011 02:21 pm (UTC)
OK so did Ginjou remind anyone else of Michael Jackson in that last panel?? Agreed that he does look alot better in it than Ichigo.
Also, YES! just as predicted Ginjou was the first substitute Shinigami!!
& Ichigo looked pretty angry in the 6th page, gosh good to see the other shinigami,even hanatarou :)
Kona-kunkonart on August 24th, 2011 02:49 pm (UTC)
Being Russian - Ginjou reminds be of Koschei the Deathless from the old 1944s movie:

Much younger though
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audioleak on August 24th, 2011 02:23 pm (UTC)
awww, man- that pose on page 6 is so old-school bleach.
Sea: AUGH!khyata on August 24th, 2011 02:30 pm (UTC)
I will leave a detailed squee post later on, but I have to comment on something first.



qwirky on August 24th, 2011 03:04 pm (UTC)
KUBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO indeed D: You can't take the Kubo out of Kubo.
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jpblackjpblack on August 24th, 2011 03:02 pm (UTC)
That strategic and symbolic white. It was lovely.

So I guess this is a one time thing and Urahara won't be allowed back into SS after that one incident? Would he even want to come back?
qwirky on August 24th, 2011 03:13 pm (UTC)
So I guess this is a one time thing and Urahara won't be allowed back into SS after that one incident? Would he even want to come back?
??? Urahara has worked with Soul Society before this (see: Fake Karakura Town arc). I don't get why Urahara would still be exiled when it was proven that his trial was a farce and Aizen's the real bad guy.
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balladbirdballadbird on August 24th, 2011 03:06 pm (UTC)
Daaaamn, Squall. You make that outfit look way less ridiculous than Ichigo did... though the garters that attach the boots to the shirt make me laugh.

Glad to see the stick has been partially removed from the old man's nether regions, as well.

Lots of blank pages this chapter... really my only complaint overall.
darkslover: CloTi here againdarkslover on August 24th, 2011 04:14 pm (UTC)
Daaaamn, Squall.

LOL, glad to see I wasn't the only one who thought this. :P

廚二病chuuni on August 24th, 2011 03:08 pm (UTC)
Seriously I am not impressed with all these white pages lately. Or black.
nivek01nivek01 on August 25th, 2011 10:28 pm (UTC)
Going to be the friendly, sarcastic smart ass and point out that manga is in black and white, so there's a reason you're seeing a lot of those 2 colors :)
danieladeecaffeinated on August 24th, 2011 03:17 pm (UTC)
"(where the heck did Tsukishima go?)"
This is what I have been wondering all week .On the title page of 460 he was standing right beside Ginjou but by the time there is that pullback of the rooftop on p11 it looks like there are only 3 people standing off - Ichigo & Rukia vs. Ginjou. Granted you don't see Isshin & Urahara either so I don't know how much it matters. But I'm really curious how they're going to deal with the nakama still under his influence. I can't imagine them actually killing him off so I wonder how that'll be solved.

White doesn't bother me too much if something interesting is happening, but I'm more irked at how short the chapter felt. It's cool to see Ichigo showing off, but stillll. Moaar plz, Kubo.

Already contemplating tie-ins with Ginjou being a substitute shinigami. Could Isshin have given him his power and then become human somehow before starting a family with Masaki? etc. So many questions.
empressmaudeempressmaude on August 24th, 2011 03:27 pm (UTC)
Tsukishima's probably skulking around stabbing random people so they'll be on his side at a pivotal moment.
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Kylarakarenai on August 24th, 2011 03:32 pm (UTC)
Soooo wasn't someone posting a theory for a few weeks now that Ginjou and the other Fullbringers were vampires of a sort? Ginjou clearly isn't just human. Does he have Twilight-esque aging problems?
incandescensincandescens on August 24th, 2011 03:43 pm (UTC)
I was indeed theorising along those lines, though the revelations about him being the substitute shinigami are now making me want more data. :)

I would guess that at least some of the Fullbringers are "modern" -- look at the one who has a PSP-style Fullbring, after all. Unless it's somehow developed from some sort of earlier model, it would suggest to me that he at least is a child of the current period. But as for all of them -- who knows?
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incandescensincandescens on August 24th, 2011 03:35 pm (UTC)
I like to think that it isn't so much that Yamamoto's gone soft, but that it's more that he's returned to the way he used to be a century or so ago, to how he was when he'd slap the just-promoted Urahara on the back and make a joke during Urahara's first Captains' meeting.

(My personal take on Yamamoto is that the whole Vizard incident, involving the loss of half his captains, with three of them apparently turning traitor, including the head of Covert Ops and the head of the Kidou Corps, had an extremely bad effect on his capacity for being understanding and knowing when to "take things easy" and trust subordinates and bend the law a little. He had to promote new kids with the polish barely off their bankai into captancies. He had to live with the knowledge that he'd been totally wrong about trusting various Captains who had turned out to be traitors. (Okay, so we now know they weren't, but for a hundred years he's probably been wondering, "Should I have noticed something odd about Urahara before it all blew up?") And he had to live with knowing that he sent off half a dozen captains to investigate what seemed like a fairly standard situation, and they all came back worse than dead. It would explain his retreat into strict authority and the letter of the law. Hm, there's probably fodder for a fic or two there involving Shunsui and Ukitake watching him rigidify...)
lorkylorklorkylork on August 24th, 2011 05:26 pm (UTC)
When you phrase it this way, it makes me want to give Yama-jii a big hug and tell him I now understand his toughness and see him in a different light
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dvaB..aka..Yumicode_mari on August 24th, 2011 03:46 pm (UTC)
As fun as Bleach is it's a bit silly that the concept of filler arcs kicked in: someone was pissed at the Shinigami and wants revenge, like that knew 3d div. captain or Kageroza, or Muramasa... Well, ok, I'm just assuming that it's safe to think that SS pissed Ginjou off, too.
But the chapter, oooh, I'm in love with Toushiro all over again, and Renji, and Byakuya, mhm... and Urahara kneeling before the captains... oh, that always was my favorite sight
Though I still don't understand what's up with Ikkaku, I mean, first I thought he might have been promoted but now it looks like a tat.
Oh, damn twice, so many people helped Ichigo regain his powers, but that's only fair. And Ginjou wearing Ichigo's spider man costume, seriously, my first thought was "what?! Stark's back?!" 0o
DAlcotraz on August 25th, 2011 07:47 am (UTC)
He does look a lot like Stark... Pull out one of his eyes, throw out the sword and replace it with a pair of guns.

Done. Stark version Fullbring :D
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incandescensincandescens on August 24th, 2011 03:54 pm (UTC)
"Even going so far as to acknowledge and dismiss the fact that he's ordering all the captains and VCs to commit a crime..."

Heh. I just realised. Yama-jii is being a sneaky, sneaky legalist.

If he, as Captain Commander, orders all the captains and vice-captains to "put your reiatsu into that sword", then technically speaking, they are just following orders. Going by the strict letter of the law, they have merely done their duty in obeying their Captain Commander. He is the only one (hand on heart) who has wilfully broken the law. The Chamber of 46 can't blame anyone else.

Yup. I'm sure the new Chamber of 46 will really want to argue the point with him. Perhaps in a few centuries. Or millennia.
♀*La Muerte Chiquita*♀la_kalaka on August 24th, 2011 04:15 pm (UTC)
or never, you know, that sword of him can turn everthing to ashes xD
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aryastarkx: cerseiaryastarkx on August 24th, 2011 04:06 pm (UTC)
I guess Rukia went for a walk with Ishida, Isshin, Urahara, Facebook, and the background. Those crazy kids...
Running on Coffee and Schadenfreudearcadiasilver on August 24th, 2011 04:40 pm (UTC)
Im hoping that Rukia either A) Went to track Tsukishima down, or B) Went to go gather up the hostages.
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Naurel: yachirunaurel on August 24th, 2011 04:22 pm (UTC)
I'm glad to see some real battle instead of the endless training squences Ichigo was put through. And that tantalizing hint of what's been happening in Soul Society is making me salivate for more. The only downside to this chapter, I think, was how short it felt. Sure, Ichigo looked awesome with his moves and the art was truly beautiful. But the panels were huge... DX

Is it just me or did Ikkaku get a tattoo of the Chinese character 'dragon'? And Kenpachi, please show us your whole face. XD
DAlcotraz on August 25th, 2011 08:15 am (UTC)
The expressions in that panel are hilarious

Ikkaku - Haha see? You're cool now. Again. I wonder how strong you are......
Kenpachi - Oh look. That patch of sky is more interesting than all of this. I'll just keep staring at it, since everything here is so BORING. Then when we're all done, I'll jump Ichigo. Yeah....
Hitsugaya - Has been taking lessons from Rukia in blank Facial Expressions.
Byakuya - /Sigh. So...., why am I here?
Renji - Looking good there. Now don't jump him. Just... Stay.... Calm..... Must... Remain.... CALM.

Ikkaku did get some sort of a Tattoo yeah. Anybody read Chinese?
 Lady Camille Catherine Cecily Lloyd-George X: Byakuyaskilly_n_duff on August 24th, 2011 04:32 pm (UTC)
Re-posting something I said in the IR FC a few weeks ago because I have been saying FOR YEARS that Ichigo changed Rukia's world just as much as his own.

Ichigo has already changed Soul Society for good.

We often talk about Rukia changing Ichigo’s whole world. However, we often overlook the influence he had on Soul Society. Like many shounen heroes, Ichigo changes the hearts of his enemies rather than killing them. The one and ONLY exception to this rule is Ulquiorra (And even then, between Ichigo’s stubborn persistence and Orihime’s influences, he ended up with a new heart anyway)

When Bleach starts, Soul Society is the enemy—a strictly militaristic government with rigid boundaries between divisions. When we first meet the vice captains at their meeting, they don’t even know all of the captains. Each division keeps to their own, follows their own agenda, and (in the case of 11th/4th) have deep seated prejudices.

I’m going to make a longer version of this for version 57, but he makes them draw together. The whole of Soul Society fights against him. He changes Ikkaku, Renji, Kenpachi (3 of soul society’s most violent and strongest fighters) and ends up toppling basically the living personification of Soul Society’s laws himself, Byakuya. WHEN THE THING IS OVER we see members from different divisions asscociating in ways they probably haven’t for hundreds of years. Good heavens, look at what he’s done for Rukia and Renji’s friendship! They haven’t even SPOKEN to each other for about 40 years according to my maths. (If Rukia was not exaggerating about being 150, which she probably was…)

Anyway, more on this in 57 but I want Ichigo to go back to SS. They need someone to unite under---there are big problems with their Society that Ichigo pointed out and wanted to change. (treatment in Rukongai, etc.) I’m not saying he’s up to replacing Ol’ man Yamaji, but he’s definitely first in my book for being a new captain.
tick-tocking: BLEACH☂ so much gayer than youscuttling on August 24th, 2011 05:26 pm (UTC)
Haha, initially I laughed when at the VC meeting Renji didn't know who Matsumoto's captain was. I think I assumed it was an error or something because... seriously? Prodigy and everything?

I'm really hoping we get some insight on Rukongai, whether SS (esp now that the war is finished and they have had some time to recover) has begun or intends to begin... "correcting" it, though correcting isn't quite the word I want.

Also blah blah Mayuri blah blah but no actual hope there.
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