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24 August 2011 @ 08:25 am
Kubo Wanted Name Removed as Executive Producer from HV  
Kubo-sensei wanted his name removed as Executive Producer on the Hellverse DVD according to his message in the pamphlet included with the DVD. Translation by nacchan (credit was being given to Mel all over BA so I got it wrong at first, sorry) . I'm fairly shocked.



In this movie I was credited as "Executive Director"
However honestly speaking, for the DVD version I want that title to be removed
I already asked them to do so. This is because I feel I didn't participate enough in the production of this movie to warrant such a title.

I already have this feelings since the premier of the theatre version, however when I meet with the producer staff to persuade the movie was already in editing process so it can't be removed.

Holy shit, Sensei. This is a bit much. Going so far as asking for his name to be removed from a project? A far cry from his Fade to Black public declarations where he gushed about "I made a movie" and went on about his discussions about dialogue with director Abe. Dare I guess the feedback and lack of repeat box office and unspectacular revenue versus what was put into the picture was really enough for Sensei to distance himself from this project?

I'm hearing at the moment that 2chan is asking "Is Sensei trying to get away?" and some are wondering why the movie was promoted so heavily as his (if you'll recall one of the major HV CMs began with his image drawing Ichigo--Kubo the superstar manga-ka!) and yet now Sensei claims not to have been involved much? The Japanese are saying that they won't watch the movie if Sensei wasn't involved in it, but that's funny--the numbers show that not that many of them watched it when it was in theatres. Sensei may have just damned DVD sales.

Nonetheless, what I've seen of the film (haven't even peeked at the Chinese raw yet) has me looking forward to watching it. I want my Ishida, Ishida, Ishida. I don't expect naked!Rukia to be much. I've seen stills of the Orihime hug and it wasn't what I thought it'd be. Fanarts exaggerate--but still, I hope the fights are good. The Ulquiorra sequence I saw in trailers was amazing. Worth the price of box office. Maybe the DVD *counts cash* If only all this 10th anniversary stuff wasn't already draining me. But I feel guilty about watching the movie subbed online so I'd better order it eventually.

IchiOri shippers will buy the movie at least. I did hear tell of one of them saying yesterday after watching the Chinese raw: "See what happens when you let Kubo have a say in his own movies, kiddies?"

Kubo karma strikes again, lol.

Well, I honestly don't believe that Sensei is distancing himself from the movie because of the content, IchiOri fanservice or anything like that. The movie got bad feedback from viewers who were polled the first day they saw it and it got lousy return boxoffice and apparently didn't do as well as expect in revenue for all the huge amounts of money that went into it (the incredible promotion--I remember Spacecat saying all he saw were CMs, the hiring of TM Revolution for the song must've cost plenty yen, the building of that huge skull and crossbones movie set, etc etc). I still refuse to call the movie a flop ( because the numbers I saw weren't anything like what we in the US call flops) but I do believe it was an investment disappointment.

My guess is that Sensei didn't want to be associated with what is known in Japan as a poor film, financially-speaking mostly but perhaps artistically as well.

If it's just financial stuff, it's very curious to me that Sensei, who seems to value his artistic cred above all, would ACTUALLY WANT HIS NAME REMOVED FROM A PROJECT. I think maybe something unspoken is going on here. I wonder what truly disappointed him. I haven't seen the movie myself yet so I can't judge. But the difference from the Fade to Black liner notes where he just GUSHED about his involvement and this fairly upfront statement about not wanting his NAME on a project in the DVD message for Hellverse is really shocking to me.

It's not IchiOri vs IchiRuki to me. Unless maybe Kubo wants to send that message--but I don't really believe that he has shipping at the forefront of his mind like a lot of us do. I honestly wonder what's up. I don't really believe HV is an IchiOri movie. It's an action movie to me--I read the summary--and it clearly paints IchiThing as a monster that needed to be controlled and Rukia was the one who inspired and helped Ichigo control his Hollow form in this movie. All good stuff by my accounts. From the stills I've seen of the IchiOri "hug"--it wasn't even a hug and there was no "smile" like reported. Ichigo's face--. He looked like he was being attacked, and all Hime did was tug his shirt. His eyes were tiny-pupiled and he didn't look sexy there. Guys get big-pupiled when they're interested (note big-pupils and warm look like the close-up of Ichigo's sexy eyes in 460) and it was just a tug that was pretty IC for Orihime at the time (despite the "don't go"--which I didn't like for her--her not wanting Ichigo to go save their friends is a far cry from the Orihime who cheered Ichigo on to save Rukia in SS but it was IC, I must say post HM... and her worry). I really don't believe shipping is that big of a deal in this movie--I let you know more when I see it.

I want a movie FIVE. I've never been a big fan of predictable-villain-shallow-plot anime movies in general, but I like all things Bleach (ok, the Senna movie annoyed me) and THIS MOVIE I was looking forward to the most (one guess why? Ishidaaaaaaa). I hope the producers get the message as to what the audiences want (beyond just wanting Hitsugaya) and actually make a fifth movie that can bring in the $ and make Sensei proud. Against everything I feared, SP surprised the heck out of me and made this last anime filler actually interesting with its modsoul back story. A movie like that would be OK.

In other words, Studio Perriot and I can be together again. I've dug the ring out of the trash and put turned the photos around. Hellverse can't be as horrible as they say, right? So bad that Kubo wanted his name off it? More after I watch the sub.
verduister on August 24th, 2011 01:33 pm (UTC)
Aren't you taking this out of proportion? He says that he doesn't want to be credited as "executive director" because he participated less than a real executive director would have. He doesn't say he doesn't want to mentioned at all.
verduister on August 24th, 2011 01:34 pm (UTC)
*be mentioned
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annie_08annie_08 on August 24th, 2011 01:48 pm (UTC)
//"See what happens when you let Kubo have a say in his own movies, kiddies?"//

Right now I'm seeing karma came back to bite their behind XDDDDD by their logic Kubo just said this is not really his movie. So...whatever they squee over wasn't his say.

In all seriousness But I'm surprised by Kubo's comment. I remember movie pamphlet for the theater one. Kubo talked about how this movie shows Ichigo as a hero (or somethig similar). From his tweets I still think he wishes us to enjoy this movie. But his comment kinda...distant himself from the work. Like "yeah it's a good movie and all but let's be clear I am that involved as you think I was." it pretty much leaves impression if there is something we may like/not like, it's not his fault because he's not heavily involved. This is a huge difference from FTB which he also credited as executive producer. All these time I thought he was more involved in HV than FTB. Guess that's not true.

I don't think Kubo said due to a movie being disappointment. I think he just wants to clear it up with his fans how much he's involved in a project. Like in musical he made it clear he isn't involved but hoped fans would like it. This comment sounds like giving fans the fact.
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on August 24th, 2011 01:55 pm (UTC)

hmmph--well the CMs used him to promote the movie. And they credited him as Ex Prod like w/FTB. I do plan on enjoying this movie, so thanks for your impressions. Sensei is promoting HV still (dutifully? XD I gathered from when he saw the footage of the recreation of the IchiUlqui fight that he fanboied--it WAS pretty awesome animation!)
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敬pikeish on August 24th, 2011 02:05 pm (UTC)
I get why fans would be disappointed to watch this if they think Sensei didn't really have that much part in it (although it was said that the story was the closest to the manga - but I think it's the involvement of IchiThing). I mean, the big attention grabber was after all, thinking that Kubo Sensei was heavily involved in this, and it would be disappointing to read that statement if you were clinging to that. Nonetheless, even if the movie did good and he said that, it's still won't be nice to hear to some fans, seeing he's distant from the project.

But I think that Sensei was only saying what he knows, as Annie said, as the truth, and not trying to squirm out because this movie did poorly. I bet he heard people screaming how this was all his intention and his movie, how heavily involved he is (blowing things out of proportion) when in reality, he knows he didn't contribute much to be credited as such.
Shinigami_Lucia: cute girl 01shinigami_lucia on August 24th, 2011 02:05 pm (UTC)
Wow, this is really strange. This movie is for Bleach's 10th anniversary, right? So, Kubo must have contributed somehow on the making of this movie. For him to asked not to be included as an executive producer, there must something about this movie that he didn't agree on and don't want to be associated with it.
balladbirdballadbird on August 24th, 2011 02:11 pm (UTC)
Strange news indeed...

ah well, I'm only interested in the first five or so minutes of the movie, anyway. XD I don't care about shinigami fanservice filler arcs, which includes the movies.
jpblackjpblack on August 24th, 2011 03:25 pm (UTC)
I don't think it's that odd. He's never gotten that credit, "exeucutive producer" before; only "original creator". If he feels he's not worthy of that title, it would make sense to want it removed. I don't see it coming from a place of "holy shit this sucks take my name off it", mainly because his name's all over the anime; specifically the Bount arc, Movie 2, and that so-boring-it's-my-substitute-for-nyquil filler episode where Kon meets some little girl and befriends her.

So yeah, not really odd at all. I'm sure he's still credited as original creator.
qwirky on August 24th, 2011 04:04 pm (UTC)
Actually, Kubo was given "executive producer" credit for Fade to Black, something that he accepted and seemed pleased with. He was also given "executive producer" in this movie, even on the DVD release - they weren't able to take it off because it was in editing.
Kylarakarenai on August 24th, 2011 04:31 pm (UTC)
I honestly think this is the rudest thing I've ever seen him do to the anime creators.
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on August 24th, 2011 06:28 pm (UTC)

While I can live with Annie's idea that he still wants us to enjoy the movie and is just correcting the facts about his involvement, his statement does strike me as pretty bold. It's like telling SP not to go misusing his name. I remember now when he tweeted about being surprised that his image was being used in a CM. He's really camera-shy and ...

maybe he felt used, I dunno. Just speculating. His name is his own.

He didn't protest that Executive Producer title for Fade to Black, but by all reports he did come up with the concept and story for Hellverse. I wonder what he deems "much involvement."
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erisalia on August 24th, 2011 09:38 pm (UTC)
This doesnt make me feel very enthused about the movie anymore. Im not sure why he added this with every single dvd but it just sounds like the wrong thing to say on the 4th movie dvd. There is nothing promoting about it. He sounds like he doesnt want to be connected to the movie. Im not sure the circumstances, does he even like it? I mean I believe I heard he liked the opening sequence but I havent really heard anything else from him besides this.
mezzo_marinaiomezzo_marinaio on August 24th, 2011 10:04 pm (UTC)
He seemed to be fanboying it hard when it came out... here are his tweets about it:

“I’ve retuuuurned! The movie was amazing! To be brief, it was aaaaaaal action!”

“Though action movies are generally labelled like that, the action parts usually span about half of the movie… in this movie, though, the scenes that couldn’t be labelled ‘action’ must have been about 10-15 minutes at the most. Furthermore, the action quality was high, high. I think that the anime staff must have had some unusual trouble for this one.”

“At the beginning of the movie, there is a battle scene between Ichigo and Ulquiorra – which is basically a remake of their canon battle; it’s just a few minutes long, but I think those few minutes reached a level of perfection. The people who have even just a little interest in either Ichigo or Ulquiorra should definitely watch it.”

“No way! This time, the movie had earth-shatteringly beautiful drawings! There is little to any difference with my own drawings. I’d really like to thank the movie staff one by one.”

“And then, what particularly impressed me this time was that they drew Ichigo – who is very hard to draw – very well, and made him cool-looking for the entire time. I was really happy about that. All the more because this time, Ichigo was set firmly at the centre of the story.”

“Story-wise, I think that the Bleach movies up until now gave off a Bleach-like feeling, but their Jump-like essence was very sparse. This time, however – while the movie is firmly grounded in the spirit of Bleach – the story produced really gives off a feeling of being a typical Jump movie… so I was able to return to the emotions I felt when I saw Jump movies in my childhood.”

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needaccount: Uryuuneedaccount on August 24th, 2011 11:42 pm (UTC)
I don't think this is really a big deal. Or at least I hope it's not. Kubo seemed to like the movie, from all those tweets mezzo provided. Maybe he felt like it would be bad to take credit for something he genuinely thinks is great but didn't have a big part in making.

debbiechan do you happen to have links to the screenshots you were talking about?
jpblackjpblack on August 25th, 2011 12:04 am (UTC)
This is how I feel. I guess I personally don't want to assume the worst of him? I dunno. The message doesn't even have much of a tone to it; it's seemingly neutral. He's letting people know this isn't Bleach's Strong World, which I personally never saw it as anyway.
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Fanartist: [Japan] X-treme Engrishfanartist on August 25th, 2011 06:05 am (UTC)
Here's my two cents (one being an animator, one being... me).

I met a man who worked for peanuts seven days a week and 18-hour days for ten years in the Japanese animation industry to finally become a director.

Imagine a person, completely uninformed and unqualified to be in the industry, swooping in and snatching up a position that would take you five more years to accomplish.

It feels like shit.

And that might be what happened and sensei noticed.

This is all speculation, of course. Just like everything else here :/a
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on August 25th, 2011 07:39 am (UTC)

But he didn't complain when he had the position with the previous movie, Fade to Black. So that's puzzling.
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mezzo_marinaiomezzo_marinaio on August 26th, 2011 12:29 am (UTC)
Aaaaand... a quick translation of a (possible?) script of Kubo's message that was just posted on BA:

In this movie I was credited as "Executive Director".
However honestly speaking, for the DVD version I want that title to be removed. I already asked them to do so. This is because I feel I didn't participate enough in the production of this movie to warrant such a title.

I already had this feelings since the premier of the theatre version, however when I met with the producer staff to persuade them, the movie was already in the editing process so it couldn't be removed.

I had a meeting with the scriptwriter - I think it was in the year preceding the movie premiere, in early summer.

The meeting was incandescent, and we discussed ideas until nearly dawn. The scriptwriter took careful notes of the ideas that I had contributed jointly during the meeting. The response was that we were able to come up with some very interesting stuff. I had the feeling that before winter at the latest the scenario would be completed - but in the end, the scenario was sent to me only in the spring of the year of the movie premiere. Furthermore, the scenario didn't contain any of the ideas of the meeting... apparently, the notes taken at that time were not transmitted to the director and to the other members of the staff.

Later on, we had some trouble with the production department agreeing to some changes decided by the scriptwriter, and the scriptwriter worked hard with the changes that were made - but unfortunately, there was no more time.

The fact that characters that first made their entry in the original work like Ichigo, Kokutou and Shuuren had a very Bleach-like feeling is thanks to all of the seiyuu that gave them their voices, and to all of the staff that drew them.

Once again, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
eframepiloteframepilot on August 26th, 2011 01:07 am (UTC)
Damn. Kubo mad.
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Super Nintendo Chalmers: Ulquiorra vs Ichigostrawberries_85 on August 26th, 2011 02:32 am (UTC)
Let's say he felt about about being credited for something he didn't really do, isn't it a bad idea to put that tidbit in the DVD booklet? I appreciate honesty, but it doesn't seem like the wisest of choices for a movie that already didn't do as well as the previous. :S
erisalia on August 26th, 2011 04:39 am (UTC)
Thats what I thought to at first. But as I thought it over the movie didnt really do to well and that reflects on kubo. So if he really didnt get to do much in this movie and his ideas were not put into the movie then why should his name go through the mud with this? Thats how I see myself reacting to this when I try to place myself in his shoes anyways xD. I dunno maybe I am wrong ^^. I just think he probably feels they did him wrong and were using his name for a quick dollar. Kub oprobably doesnt care about the money aspect he probably just doesnt want the stigma of a movie being bad because he was involved when he wasnt if that makes sense.
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Shinigami_Lucia: DeathStrawberry2shinigami_lucia on August 26th, 2011 12:51 pm (UTC)
So basically he's not involve in the movie at all nor approve of the scenes that happen in it? WOW, that's shocking! I don't know what to say really. I feel bad though for him. To have his own ideas about the movie and something else was use instead. Well, he must be very disappointed. I guess it's understandable why he has to write the message like that.