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27 July 2011 @ 12:50 pm
Bleach 458 is Out  
If you can see this post, you are one of the lucky few. (LJ is undergoing DDoS attacks.)

Bleach 458 is up at MangaStream.

Looks like bonefield was right :3 \o/\o/ *sends her blueberries as a reward*

Ichigo worries over Ginjou and whether Ginjou's been affected by Tsukishima's powers. The relief on Ichigo's face in this page is heartbreaking when Ginjou says that he still sees Ichigo as a nakama. I just want to hug Ichigo.

Ginjou theorizes about Tsukishima's powers, how they are activated, and their timing. Can't tell at this point how much of Ginjou's "theories" is true and how much is bullshit that Ginjou invents to keep the pretense going.

ISHIDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA~~! You're up and about and apparently (?) well, sweet boy ;__________;

Ichigo questions whether Ishida is on his side. There's a tense few pages with Ichigo and Ishida going back and forth, with Ishida telling Ichigo to "come here" (as reported in the spoilers post, Ishida uses the same phrase Ulquiorra did to Orihime, lolol) and him insisting that he's still on Ichigo's side until...

Ishida reveals the person who attacked him was Ginjou.

Okay, that was actually a surprise, at least to me. We saw Ishida chasing Tsukishima, so I guess Tsukishima lured Ishida away, and some point after that, Ginjou cut Ishida up.

Ginjou's scary face looms. Ishida tries to attack him but is unsuccessful. Ginjou then slices Ichigo, and while Ishida's distracted, Tsukishima strikes him from behind. (Since Ishida is bleeding, he may not have been bookmarked? Though who knows if that's relevant anymore since Ginjou was the one who actually cut Ishida.)

Ginjou goes full-on evil mode, complete with maniacal laughter, crazy eyeballs, and villain droopy bangs. He brings out the "shinigami substitute" badge he had (in quotes since we still don't know what the badge is actually for) and affixes it to his sword.

Ichigo thinks that Ginjou really was affected by Tsukishima, but he is corrected. Ginjou reveals that he had been under Tsukishima's power, but he had been cut once already prior to last chapter. Being cut a second time (i.e., his being cut last chapter) undoes/reverses Tsukishima's ability, so Ginjou is now himself again. Therefore, as many of us had guessed, Ginjou is actually evil. *insert complete and utter lack of surprise here* And, of course, he wants Ichigo's Fullbring power.

Since Tsukishima is just letting Ginjou do whatever he wants and helped cut down Ishida, bonefield's theory that Ginjou and Tsukishima are working together seems spot-on. Of course that doesn't negate double-double-crossing in the future, but for now they're on the same side.

bonefield theorizes that Ginjou was bookmarked when the other Fullbringers were supposedly bookmarked by Tsukishima (i.e., after Ichigo had completed his training with Ginjou, and before Ginjou found Ichigo after Ichigo ran away from Tsukishima and Ikumi) so that Ginjou would be more believable to Ichigo. That makes sense. Ginjou attacked Ishida, so he wasn't under Tsukishima's control at that point, and IMO his "training" with Ichigo was too sadistic to be "Ginjou in his good guy mode" at that time, too.

What's still up in the air is whether the other Fullbringers are bookmarked, but given Riruka's uneasiness and obvious guilt several chapters ago, I'm just going to guess they're probably not.

Ichigo gets stabbed by Ginjou, and the chapter title finally appears: "End of All Bonds" ;___; ;____________; Ichigoooooooooooo.

With Ichigo's friends and family all injured or bookmarked, and having been betrayed by Ginjou, who's left? None other than Urahara, Isshin, and the mysterious shinigami, finally? Maybe? Hopefully?

(Anonymous) on July 27th, 2011 05:08 pm (UTC)
great chapter!
I really liked this twist, even though I kinda saw it coming.
How it was done was awesome and made all the difference.
jpblackjpblack on July 27th, 2011 05:32 pm (UTC)
Re: great chapter!
A million times this.
(Anonymous) on July 27th, 2011 05:09 pm (UTC)
even though everyone's predictions about this moment made total sense, and i also believed them pretty thoroughly, i still half felt like i should expect to be thrown for a loop - somehow, still, to see this unfold even more or less exactly as everyone thought, it's sort of devastating, isn't it?
jpblackjpblack on July 27th, 2011 05:13 pm (UTC)
Kubo's pacing ties into this troll. If this had not been 30 chapters ago, I wouldn't have been as surprised.

I guess Tsukishima's ability is as simple as altering memories. I howled when he stands there, confident as ever, and spills: "He cut me twice."
Avelera: Fight like a Girlathena799 on July 27th, 2011 05:21 pm (UTC)
Thank goodness!
I get the sense we're going to see some villain/hero parallels very soon. Ginjou probably played it straight earlier when he said the way for a shinigami representative to get their powers back is by taking the powers of a Fullbring, implying that Ichigo would be getting his. We now know that it is the other way around, with him intending to make a new powerful Fullbring in Ichigo and take his powers in order to regain his own shinigami powers. I have to wonder if the power restoration is proportional to the power of sacrificer/ee, otherwise why not just take Chad's Fullbring?

Ichigo is probably going to be conflicted when this is revealed. He's stated that he'll do anything to get his powers back, but the unstated part was "as long as nobody gets hurt", hence why Ginjou had to tell him that the Fullbring wanted to get rid of their powers (despite all evidence to the contrary), otherwise Ichigo would not have gone along with it (even if he wanted to). Ginjou is only different from Ichigo in that he didn't care if Ichigo got hurt, but Ichigo will be able to sympathize with him and this might cause him some conflict. He after all knows the pain of being cut away from Soul Society.

I had been wondering what was up with Ginjou having a shinigami representative badge at the beginning, it felt like it was forgotten but it seems it was just seeded early. You win this round for foreshadowing, Kubo, but please work on the pacing! If this really is about landing big reveals on important anniversaries its really not worth it, especially when losing so many readers along the way.

In other news, I am SO RELIEVED that Ginjou turned out to be bad, and the way this was accomplished was quite clever. I was very afraid there for a bit that Bleach had lost all its subtlety, and everyone who appeared to be good/bad really was, with no deeper layer. I was immensely relieved at Ishida's reveal that Ginjou was the one who stabbed him. Fun chapter is fun, now onto Isshin and co!
ruinin fuckin' everythingallelujah on July 27th, 2011 05:22 pm (UTC)
kuboism on July 27th, 2011 09:56 pm (UTC)
jpblackjpblack on July 27th, 2011 05:35 pm (UTC)
Our friends at 4chan stay ever-vigilant on Kubo's storytelling patterns. Could a new form be coming along? Well, I guess Ichigo in full-Shinigami garb wouldn't be "new," but that's what's expected, I suppose.
 Lady Camille Catherine Cecily Lloyd-George Xskilly_n_duff on July 27th, 2011 05:43 pm (UTC)
I hesitate to say, but can we finally assume we're at the point where it can't get any worse? That the rescue is gonna come soon? The 10th anniversary and the end of the next tankoban should coincide with either chapter 459 or 460.

I hoping this means we've only got 1-2 weeks to wait before Rukia shows with Urahara and co.
(Anonymous) on July 27th, 2011 06:01 pm (UTC)
I thought that this chapter was going to be so boring, with no Ishida, no nothing--except Ginjou fighting against Ichigo, that is. Instead, we see Ishida delivering a hell of a piece of news about Ginjou, an admission that Ginjou and Tsukishima were working together, and finally, Ginjou's motive for getting Ichigo his power back.
(Anonymous) on July 28th, 2011 12:47 am (UTC)
Same anon here. I notice at Bleach Asylum, where I also don't have an account, people think that Tsukishima turned Ginjou, "good." I don't think this is true, unless Tsukishima's makes you incredibly stupid. Why else would Ginjou put so much faith in 17-year-old Ichigo when he himself was stronger, tell Ichigo to kill Tsukishima when there was no guarantee that that would reverse the effects, or believe that he didn't know Tsukishima when he remembered giving Chad information that only someone familiar with him would know?
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(no subject) - (Anonymous) on July 30th, 2011 05:30 pm (UTC) (Expand)
qwirky on July 27th, 2011 06:04 pm (UTC)
Ros celebration goes here!

*leaves blueberries and chocolates for Ros* <33333

P.S. I'm amused that some folks elsewhere were pooh-poohing this idea only because it appeared on Bleachness. :3
pogopogo2468 on July 27th, 2011 06:24 pm (UTC)
*cooks delicious pierogi and brings to party*

So glad the theory was proven right!
(no subject) - velvetsword on July 27th, 2011 07:29 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - karenai on July 27th, 2011 08:19 pm (UTC) (Expand)
andrew_jpandrew_jp on July 27th, 2011 07:03 pm (UTC)
Ginjou's distress during the past few chapters certainly seemed pretty genuine, which made me doubt the "He's actually evil" theory just a bit...but the idea that his memory was altered to make him more convincing fits in with that perfectly.
tamzinconquistadora on July 27th, 2011 07:06 pm (UTC)
I didn't think the 'big revelation' of Ginjou would be original, but still, I'm disappointed by how boring it was. And he stole Aizen's hair curl times two. Double cliche. And we've all seen that psycho eyeroll before from Szayel.

Ichigo's torso looks weird in that one panel--way too long. Even the panels with Ishida were pretty plain. Lack of backgrounds made their triumphant comeback this week.

Meh chapter overall for me.
The Main Gauche of Enlightenment: Scanty DAT ASSvelvetsword on July 27th, 2011 07:35 pm (UTC)
Only a .gif can properly express my feelings
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Marie: [bleach: ichigo] unnecessary pantsproglution on July 28th, 2011 12:01 am (UTC)
Re: Only a .gif can properly express my feelings
I concur with your .gif
(Anonymous) on July 27th, 2011 07:38 pm (UTC)
Got no Livejournal
I don't like this arc. It just doesn't pull me in.

The arrancar arc had me hooked right from the beginning but this one is just doesn't do it for me. Ginjou turning out to be a bad is just another example of this. It leaves me completely indifferent.

Every week I hope that finally something will happen that pulls me right into the story but so far nothing has done that for me.

Does any one else feel like this?
The Main Gauche of Enlightenment: Kneesocks is grinnng (trans sequence)velvetsword on July 27th, 2011 08:24 pm (UTC)
Re: Got no Livejournal
I actually like this arc better than HM arc if only for the fact that there's less mindless speed lines and stupid fights.

HM was a boring slog through excessive waves of pointless battles. This arc is at least making a stab at suspense.
Re: Got no Livejournal - pogo2468 on July 27th, 2011 10:35 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Got no Livejournal - wdboldstar on July 27th, 2011 10:37 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Kylara: infinite qbkarenai on July 27th, 2011 08:15 pm (UTC)
1) I really hope that Ginjou did all this just so he could get his shinigami powers back. That would be the most hilarious thing ever.

2) Not to ever prematurely get on a "Bleach character is dead" train, but that is a big honking sword that went right through Ichigo's very human chest. He okay? >>; I've seen Guild mention elsewhere that she thinks Urahara and Isshin are gonna kill him with that sword but they may not need to do so.

3) Speaking of getting stabbed by a sword, when this happened in chapter 1, Ichigo sucked somebody else's powers out. This time, he's getting stabbed but the powers are going away. Consequently, I would like Ichigo to be wearing a very thin white kimono next chapter as he stares up at Ginjou's gigantic sword.

4) I know mostly everyone saw it coming here that Ginjou was evil, but I do give Kubo credit for disguising it from Ginjou himself with Tsukishima's fullbring. I wonder how bad an actor is that that was necessary.

Tsukishima: You've gotta act as that boy's comrade to help him train his fullbring so you can steal it.
Ginjou: FUCK NO. He is EMO and ANNOYING and I'd rather be here with you, the Ishida to my Kurosaki and I would punch his face off and in conclusion, I'd rather be stabbed by a sword so fuck off.
Tsukishima: WISH GRANTED.

I mean, seriously, if all they wanted to do was power up his Fullbring, Ichigo trusts random merchants and cats and shit. They could have just have had Tsukishima kidnap a friend and then had the others help Ichigo train..

.. You know, on second thought, I'm fine they went this route.
Marie: [bleach: ichigo] ♥proglution on July 28th, 2011 12:05 am (UTC)
If this was a show...
"Tsukishima: You've gotta act as that boy's comrade to help him train his fullbring so you can steal it.
Ginjou: FUCK NO. He is EMO and ANNOYING and I'd rather be here with you, the Ishida to my Kurosaki and I would punch his face off and in conclusion, I'd rather be stabbed by a sword so fuck off.
Tsukishima: WISH GRANTED."

I'd watch it.
(no subject) - (Anonymous) on July 29th, 2011 12:49 am (UTC) (Expand)
onlycookie: Kyubei ( Gintama )onlycookie on July 27th, 2011 08:25 pm (UTC)
I knew from the very beginning that Ginjou was a MOFO, how ever IT still hurt me that ichigo lost all allies and tbh leaving the hero hopeless and taking all nakamas is a very new thing in Shonen Jump, even tough Bleach is not doing it best and many are not very happy with this arc /which is being reflected on ranking / I think is one of the most original arcs there is on a SJ manga, usually Nakamas would never betray hero or the power of friendship would always arise or shit. But no! unlike many other shonen heros Ichigo really has to go trough a lot of shitty situations and really going to the depths of despair.
Which breaks all the Shonen Jump standarts and makes it awesome! Be rebelois bleach even if that cost you your spot in the ranks....

And I think it can get worse, IT CAN it would be awful but it certainly can get worst I don't know if Kubo would let it be worst, but if he let it it can get so much worst S: