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18 May 2011 @ 04:58 pm
Bleach 448 is Out  
Bleach 448 is out.

HEY, KIDS! Remember to NOT TWEET KUBO ABOUT THIS CHAPTER until Monday! Thanks. Some wonderful folks already did; hope they were suitably blocked.

Ichigo's glorious nostrils make their triumphant return.

Yukio's powers are fearsome, yet adorable.

The video game stuff this chapter was cute. Ichigo's "I haven't NOT thought about it" and then his irritation with Ginjou = adorable.

Orihime looks determined about helping Ichigo, and there's a flashback to the dome. Hopefully this means we'll get more insight soon, please, about how the Lust arc affected her and what she learned from it. As it is, Riruka's question reminds me of Grimmjow forcing Inoue to bring Ichigo back to life in HM arc.

Riruka really is concerned about Ichigo. There's no sense of Riruka->Orihime "omg wutabitch" jealousy, as some people were gloating over. Rather, Riruka is genuinely concerned over Ichigo's well-being, and probably rightly so. The whole 6-point HP system worries me, as well as Orihime being the "healing item." Something bad is going to happen.

And then we have, dun dun dun, Urahara, Isshin, and a MYSTERIOUS SHINIGAMI. I've posted so much about this already today. My money is on Rukia or a new shinigami who is an old acquaintance/friend of Urahara's and Isshin's. Excited about this but will not hope TOO HARD, lest those hopes (RUKIAAAAAARGH) be dashed, but the more I've talked and discussed with friends about this, especially escarboucle, the more convinced I am that it is Rukia.

Urahara and Isshin's words seem ominous on the surface, but given what we know of their personalities, it seems likely that the future they're ending is Ichigo's future as a human, rather than ending his life period. They're probably trying to protect or help Ichigo somehow - from Tsukishima, the Fullbringers, other? And so they've involved another shinigami.

General reasoning for the shinigami being Rukia or a new shinigami:
Anyway, I don't understand the whole "Rukia doesn't know about Isshin" argument. Simply because Rukia didn't know Isshin was a shinigami before doesn't mean she doesn't know he's one now, 17 months later. Additionally, that kind of reasoning would rule out everyone but Yoruichi, Gin, Aizen, Rangiku, Afro-san, and the Karakura kids, and those are all completely illogical choices IMO (Yoruichi hasn't ever worn the shinigami uniform, and there'd be no need to hide her face; the Karakura kids are, as far as we know, still human; the rest have no reason to be involved).

As for Isshin not sharing "family secrets" with Rukia, Rukia is already Isshin's "third daughter," she's lived in his house and he's known about her from the start, and Isshin is well aware of the bond that Ichigo and Rukia have. Frankly, Rukia is one of the few people Isshin would discuss personal matters relating to Ichigo in front of. She's closest to Ichigo and will do anything to help him. I think that's one of the most convincing reasons why it's Rukia as opposed to another shinigami, especially random shinigami. Renji is also close to Ichigo but doesn't have a relationship with either Urahara (other than using Urahara's training grounds) or Isshin.

I don't think it's any of the Vizards simply because they have no relationship to the Fullbringers, nor the emotional connection and investment to Ichigo that someone like Rukia would have. There's also no evidence any of them knew Isshin (though there's no evidence to the contrary either). I don't think it's Karin because the process of becoming a shinigami for a human is dangerous (remember what Ichigo had to undergo); plus, it would take at least three days just to become a shinigami, not to mention she'd require training afterwards. All that eats up time that hasn't passed in the series.

I think the shinigami could be a new character, someone who knew both Urahara and Isshin from before, which would be why Urahara and Isshin speak freely in front of him/her, and probably knows something about the Fullbringers, which would be the primary reason he/she would be called in.

This cliffhanger...!

velvetsword and escarboucle are now theorizing on why Riruka is so worried, the possible evil true nature of the Fullbringers, what's in store for Ichigo now that he's in Yukio's game, and if the mysterious figure is Rukia, what her role in this is... :x :x

ETA: Clarification that the mysterious shinigami actually says "aa" in the Japanese raw, which is like "yeah" or "yes." It's an indication of assent, and "do it" is a pretty liberal translation given how more proactive it is.
Jinorinjinorin on May 18th, 2011 09:09 pm (UTC)
yay! :D
Kim!: D:spartydragon on May 18th, 2011 09:10 pm (UTC)
Video game stuff: Heh.

Last three pages: ASDFGHJKL

That's all I've got for now. -.-
Silviasilverarmada on May 18th, 2011 09:16 pm (UTC)
FUCK I am never going to make it to next week, I will die from the anticipation first.

Also, TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS SAYS IT'S RUKIA. *calling it first*
_debbiechan_: party by sxylilwitch_debbiechan_ on May 18th, 2011 09:17 pm (UTC)

Thank you so much for posting, Jackie.

Woah, sped to a meeting thinking I'd miss the chapter coming out and then it wasn't out when I returned I've been on MSN almost all day speculated with the posse--SO LONG SINCE THAT'S HAPPENED WITH A BLEACH CHAPTER. The excitement is back.

I don't know if I can bear it. Sometimes Sensei drives me nuts with his teasing but right now--damn, the shit is about to blow every which way and it's really ... kinda fun....
when I'm not scared about fandom reactions that is, lol. Sometimes fandom is scarier than any villainous goings-on in any manga chapter....

TOO TIRED to recap everything but basically copypasta of my basic reactions--first when I saw the chapter in the raw:

I'm going fairly nuts because this chapter looks so awesome. It's exciting. Orihime is in there a lot. It does seem that she's wanted for healing--Ginjou refers to her as "the healing item" for the game but I don't expect that's all that will happen. The set-up is too big. Orihime swears with all this determination to be of use to Ichigo. I've seen that determination before--to destroy the hougyoku, when she faced off Tsukishima, and I'm very frightened because this is a training arc and people rarely get their triumphs in a training arc. I'm afraid she's a ticking timebomb in there but I do hope we'll get answers to some mysteries and maybe see some of her powers--and who knows, this set-up could be Kubo's way of having us be surprised when Orihime really does something amazing ...

Eh, I'm leaning on the shinigami foot being Rukia now--after going back and forth a lot. The sidetext says "finally" (Would it say that about the Lost Agent returning? Or Renji?) The sword sheath is slender (you can't tell color in a b/w medium--we've been through this before guessing zanpakutou blades--the perception of black could be shadow or absence of shadow does necessarily mean white, etc) and the speaker uses "aa" the same phrase common to Rukia's speech pattern and the last syllable she uttered before she disappeared. There's a color page coming up next week and some of us thought Rukia might appear with the next color page.

I'm not as emotionally invested now as I was the last time I hoped she'd turn up--It still feels rather soon for me. But the evidence seems to be on the side of the person being Rukia. There are only so many people who would be involved w/Isshin there and Rukia seems likely--why shouldn't she have been made aware of Isshin's shinigami role? There's no real surprise factor to add to the plot w/showing us finding her out. Seems she would just know and that would be that....

The bigger question, actually, for me, is what the hell Isshin and Urahara and this third person are planning.

And my own personal worry is for Orihime and Ichigo because I feel like they're walking into a shitstorm.

After chapter scans?

Riruka continues to fascinate me w/her tsundere charms. I sense a backstory? Orihime looks very pretty--DAMN IT WHERE DID HER HAIRPINS GO? I swore I saw them on her blouse last chapter and now she's suddenly wearing a black undershirt?

It's going to be a long wait until next Wednesday.
kohi_no_torakohi_no_tora on May 18th, 2011 09:37 pm (UTC)
Eh, I'm leaning on the shinigami foot being Rukia now--after going back and forth a lot

I'm not going to speculate but I can say for certain that it's not Soi Fon or Ikkaku. Soi Fon wears close toed slippers and Ikkaku doesn't wear socks.
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Shinigami_Lucia: Beautifulshinigami_lucia on May 18th, 2011 09:20 pm (UTC)
Thanks for posting the chapter link! ^^

I wonder what Urahara meant by taking away Ichigo's future? I think that's the only thing that I'm confused about in this chapter. Also, I really hope the shinigami is Rukia. It's been so long since we last saw her. I missed her terribly. Kubo-sensei, give us back Rukia already! :(
Silvia: cannot see the moonsilverarmada on May 18th, 2011 09:33 pm (UTC)
I'm sure it's going to be Rukia, but we won't be happy to see her... I get the feeling she is working with Isshin and Urahara to make sure Ichigo does not get his powers back, in a way giving him a normal life. Urahara is very perceptive and I find it hard to believe he'd have no idea what Ichigo is doing or who/what Chad really is, the other fullbringers, etc.

So yeah, I think it's Rukia but I think we're going to get into even more angst liekwhoa. AND I CAN'T WAIT. <3
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Running on Coffee and Schadenfreude: [FMP!] Chidori encapsulates my disdainarcadiasilver on May 18th, 2011 09:20 pm (UTC)

I see where Ichigo gets his "doesn't tell anyone shit even if its important to them" gene from. :\

Also, Hime, darling, I really hope that you can deliver on your promise. I really hope that you've learned your lesson from it, but I can't help but feel that you're missing a point here. You're still Ichigo-centric. The question isn't about Ichigo, its about if you understand the consequences of your actions.
Running on Coffee and Schadenfreudearcadiasilver on May 18th, 2011 09:40 pm (UTC)
Also: I dont want this to be Rukia. I don't. I don't want her to be a part of whatever duplicity Isshin and Urahara are involved with. Because this whole thing? Its bullshit. Isshin is supposed to be an adult and he's making what appears to be a major choice for Ichigo. Taking away Ichigo's future? Yeah no.
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『ミカオル』 ☆: Bleach: uramikaoru on May 18th, 2011 09:30 pm (UTC)

The art, the faces from this chapter are amazing! I want to colour everything XD
Issues: Orihime-Nervouslovely_masoka on May 18th, 2011 09:30 pm (UTC)
Love this panel: http://mangastream.com/read/bleach/62629585/16 she's so beautiful here <3 I love seeing her determination. needs icons now

And~ she remembered the dome! She's thought about it! It's still a very big present matter! I'm so excited for this fight, something is going to happen~~~

also, wow...idk who the shinigami is. Maybe Rukia? Or a new character, not sure. But wth are Urahara and Isshin doing about Ichigo's future....?

Gosh Bleach, see Kubo <3 This is how you do chapters and suspense!! I hope he keeps going at this pace, so much better.
Tangelakravitzkid on May 19th, 2011 01:17 am (UTC)
Is it just me or does Orihime's dertimined face look a lot like Rangiku's?
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I hope it is, in all honesty.
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(Anonymous) on May 18th, 2011 09:37 pm (UTC)
AND ITS CONNECTION TO ORIHIME SAYING THAT SHE will heal ichigo no matter what even though she failed before coughdomeflashbackcough
hinodeh: gazille has his thinking cap onhinodeh on May 18th, 2011 09:50 pm (UTC)
Right, we haven't pondered yet who the liar of this chapter is. Or rather, who is preparing to lie... ?

But I think the lie could also refer to whatever Isshin and Uruhara are planning.
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hinodeh: sexy and smug rukiahinodeh on May 18th, 2011 09:42 pm (UTC)
Such a exciting chapter!

I have to agree with the others that there is some sense of forebonding about this chapter, and it seems almost a given that something will go horribly wrong with Ichigo's next training phase. The convo between Riruka and Orihime and Riruka's worried and pensive expression later certainly supports that notion. Are the Fullbringers up to no good after all and Riruka's having second thoughts thanks to her affection for Ichigo? Did her convo with Orihime drag up painful memories?
Either way, I certainly loved Riruka's interaction with her and I am really relieved that it was not a bitchy catfight. Granted, KT has avoided this kind of disgraceful stuff in the past, too, but one never knows. XD

Nice to see a callback to the dome. Seems like the events there might have after all inspired some desire in Orihime to better herself. Very good.

Nevertheless, despite this positive sign, I have to say that one possibility how Ichigo's training will go wrong is that Tsukishima's influence over Orihime finally kicks in and she will do something... maybe to hurt Ichigo, of course, against her will. I suppose if that happens the drama will be at least good.

I really hope that the mystery person is Rukia. Maybe she is the titular "Lost Agent" of this arc? Defying SS to help Ichigo, or something in that vein? Who knows, but either way, the plot thickens and the suspense is mounting.
lisaa_chanlisaa_chan on May 18th, 2011 09:49 pm (UTC)
I'm new here :)

I love Yukio <3 This kid makes me think about nought things, lol.

Riruka is like Rukia with liking high places. And she gets in Orihime's personal space. Oh, she's so tsundere <3

I like Orihime's determination! Go girl! I want to see some action with her in future chapters.

Definitely some back-story for Riruka with healing.

Isshin & Urahara what are you doing?

Rukia?! Please be Rukia not a new character, or maybe it's Byakuya or Renji?
Evaanimeangel4eva on May 18th, 2011 09:55 pm (UTC)
Gosh I absolutely LOVED seeing how strong Orihime is acting right now. Such a positive improvement.
I'm really anxious about Urahara's warning. Like everyone around here been saying, something BAD is going to happen. /@_@/

oh gallant piglet,: uraharaaizome on May 18th, 2011 09:56 pm (UTC)
Not going to seriously speculate about the mystery!feet. Nope. Not gonna.

But something started bugging me when these spoilers came out. I'm probably way off, but wouldn't it be awfully convenient if the so-called rivalry between Ginjou and Tsukishima was just a ruse? Cutting Ishida would make sense, as he's the least likely to trust a total stranger, so that temporarily got him out of the way. But nothing Ginjou has said so far (by way of explanation of their intentions) has seemed up front or honest. And Tsukishima seems equally sketchy as a supposed villain, by not actually harming Orihime.

/end bizzarro theory

Loved the chapter though. Great set-up for something BIG.
_debbiechan_: Isshin warm and cozy_debbiechan_ on May 18th, 2011 10:07 pm (UTC)

Yes, something's big coming. It's a major countdown. I forget that these things happen in the summertime/late spring. I haven't been this pumped since Ulquiorra battle went down or before that, TBTP arc I guess. It's just time that stuff all comes to a head...

This battle should be good at the very least no matter what gets answered or not. I'm all for seeing Ginjou fight--he's sexy with that big Claymore and he's going to rip Ichigo to pieces at first (cue the "Kurosaki-kun" but maaaaaaybe there will be some Orihime introspection? MAYBE?)
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peca_06peca_06 on May 18th, 2011 10:08 pm (UTC)
Gah! exciting, very suspenseful and really dangerous aura around this chapter. Loving Orihime's resolve and Ichigo's lively determination, but on the other hand feels tremendously scary, since it all seems like a giant trap or set up and they are completely oblivious T_____T. I'm uber worried about him and I hope that is Rukia coming and plotting with Urahara and Isshin.

All this uber-ominous vibe from the title "load with lies", the game with 6 lives and Yukio's creepy little "When you lose, I will write YOU ARE DEAD " and this build up to what it looks like a set up it is very concerning and I'm biting my nails now :P . Not to mention how worried is Riruka, who is shown two times being in different places pondering and looking very deep in concerning thoughts. I hope Hime and Ichigo will be fine. It looks like they might be walking into a nightmare :( .