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25 January 2011 @ 09:46 am
Bleachness feedback day again  




Hey everyone,
We're a few months late (sorry! Damn those RLs) but the mods and I said we'd get back to this subject eventually based on your responses from the last feedback day ( here and here). So what's the subject? Fanwork posts by members.

To give some background on the issue, although bleachness . soul_society  and all_for_bleach  are such general communities and kurosaki_clinic  is a fic community). I don't think there are people on here who want to get rid of fanworks posts--or if there are, they're a minority. So for the record, I like fanworks and I own the place and this ain't no democracy so the fanworks stay. :)

Because this community is so big, though, if more members started posting their fanworks, a lot of the news and discussion posts people have come to identify as the core of this community would be lost in the flood. So far, I personally haven't had much of a problem with the amount of fanwork posted on this community and I'm always glad to see it. I don't comment on all of it because I don't have time. I do see, however, how it can get to be a problem if the same members are posting their own work over and over and using the community as an archive while other members are shy about posting their work for fear that they're "in" enough with me or the community. I've received some PMs from members who say that they have plenty other places to go to for fanworks,that bleachness  is where they come for special discussion and they don't like to wade through fanwork posts on the front page. The mods and I have talked about it, and it seems that maybe a day set aside for readers to expect fanwork posts would work to alleviate all these issues.

Tell us what you think.
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ETA: I had to delete the previous post bc the LJ poll wasn't working--this one is. I saved the comments from those of you who were kind enough to leave them--you may repost them if you want and vote again.

Poll #1672390 Feedback Poll Time Again

What I'd like to see happen with fanart, fanfic, graphics and icon postings in bleachness is (check as many as you like)

One day a week relegated for art, another for fic, another for graphics--fanworks by comm members would be disallowed except on those specified days
16(7.7%)
a separate day of the week for all fanworks (the rest of the week is for news and discussion posts)
34(16.3%)
hey, everything's fine as it is by me--I'm not overwhelmed by fanworks posts!
64(30.8%)
making the weekend (Saturday/Sunday) when there's no chapter and things are slow the only time allowed to post fanworks
87(41.8%)
Other (explain in comment)
7(3.4%)
 
 
 
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on January 25th, 2011 03:58 pm (UTC)
The editing of this poll ate up my original post accompanying it. >.< I can't edit it again w/o losing votes so I give up. You get the general gist. (I'm soooo sick at the moment and I have no patience).

For the record, this is the commentary that accompanied the poll:


Hey everyone,
We're a few months late (sorry! Damn those RLs) but the mods and I said we'd get back to this subject eventually based on your responses from the last feedback day ( here and here). So what's the subject? Fanwork posts by members.

To give some background on the issue, although bleachness has and will always welcome fanworks by members, it has come over the years to be identified as a discussion community.


The nature of this particular community has always been hard to define ever since it grew beyond its original design as a fic journal for me, _debbiechan_ and as a squeeing place for me and my friends. I've had to accommodate it to my own needs as well as those of the new members. (Anyone joining is PLEASE advised to read the community rules and guidelines first ) There are other general Bleach communities on LJ where people can post fic, icons, art, and sell Bleach items (of these practices, only the selling of items is prohibited on bleachness . soul_society and all_for_bleach are such general communities and kurosaki_clinic is a fic community). I don't think there are people on here who want to get rid of fanworks posts--or if there are, they're a minority. So for the record, I like fanworks and I own the place and this ain't no democracy so the fanworks stay. :)

Because this community is so big, though, if more members started posting their fanworks, a lot of the news and discussion posts people have come to identify as the core of this community would be lost in the flood. So far, I personally haven't had much of a problem with the amount of fanwork posted on this community and I'm always glad to see it. I don't comment on all of it because I don't have time. I do see, however, how it can get to be a problem if the same members are posting their own work over and over and using the community as an archive while other members are shy about posting their work for fear that they're "in" enough with me or the community. I've received some PMs from members who say that they have plenty other places to go to for fanworks,that bleachness is where they come for special discussion and they don't like to wade through fanwork posts on the front page. The mods and I have talked about it, and it seems that maybe a day set aside for readers to expect fanwork posts would work to alleviate all these issues.

Tell us what you think.



Edited at 2011-01-25 04:01 pm (UTC)
kanjo_girl: tatsuki: don't hurt me againkanjo_girl on January 25th, 2011 04:13 pm (UTC)
To be honest, I love how people post fanworks here. I can see how it's a bother to others, when the fanworks are x-posted to several other communities, but, to me, that's great. It means the fanwork is out there and it's being shared with a great amount of people, which is sort of the point of fanwork. I'm pretty shy, so I've only posted one fanwork post here because...well, I'm not all that courageous. XD

I can see both sides, but I'm leaning to the poll option that says "everything's fine as it is by me". I mean, c'mon, people, we have the opportunity to have a community that has both fanwork and awesome discussions! That's all I need, really. I think people have, for the most part, been respectful and not "flood" bleachness thus far. There are only some posts and they aren't always posted elsewhere. But that's simply me.

Edited at 2011-01-25 04:25 pm (UTC)
Ananomoreprinces on January 25th, 2011 04:17 pm (UTC)
Reposting my original post here with some relevancy edits.

Here's my explanation of why I'm taking up other.

I don't mind when fics are posted to bleachness, what I do mind is when fics are posted to bleachness AND 489598598734847534 other communities and I have to skip 20 pages of fic spam to read the entries on my flist that I actually care about.

I don't want bleachness to become another community where it's okay to spam to obnoxiousness a fic or fic update. I'm cool with bleachness + k_clin + pairing appropriate community but when you hit up all of them, its just rude and inconsiderate.

If a writer wants that much attention, then they're focused on the wrong thing, the fame rather than the writing. Good fics don't get spammed to infinitum, they're spread through word of mouth and garner attention based on the writing and the story not because it's been posted all over creation.
Kylara: hollow!Kirbykarenai on January 25th, 2011 05:10 pm (UTC)
Only thing I want to add is that if we had a separate day or even a separate post for that sort of thing, that is the time when we could also recommend other people's works of fic or art. IMHO it would be easiest if someone just kicked it off once a week (in a capslockian fashion) with a post for recommendations and then everyone just added their comments beneath, because otherwise there will be one day where the Bleachness page goes WHOOSH and then everyone's entries are sort of lost in the mass of the friends list. This way, anyone who wants to take a look can and everyone who doesn't doesn't. That's just an idea, though.

(Anonymous) on January 25th, 2011 06:05 pm (UTC)
I reealllyy like this idea. These once a week posts can have a fanfic/fanart/graphics tag on them making it easy to search bleachness for fanwork.

Personally, I'm only here for the discussions. When I'm in a fanfic/fanart browsing mood I usually go search elsewhere like pixiv, da, ff.net, a pairings LJ community, etc etc. But the idea of a once a week post for fanwork and recommendations interests me.
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njxaxsonnjxaxson on January 25th, 2011 05:15 pm (UTC)
Having been the subject of people vehemently telling me to shut up because I posted fanfic chapter notices every eight chapters (which, in my opinion, is not really very spammy), I vote that we designate an approved day like the weekend.

That way, people can post what they want to post, and the naysayers can stop harassing those of us who simply want to attract readers to the hard work that we've done. Because really, if we don't "market" our work, how is anyone going to know it's there?

Of course, I should note that this also means not abusing the privilege. I didn't post a notice for every single chapter, for example. In any case, that's my $0.02.

Cheers!
-Nathan J
 Lady Camille Catherine Cecily Lloyd-George X: Happy matsuskilly_n_duff on January 25th, 2011 05:33 pm (UTC)
DEFINITELY the weekend. I've always found Saturdays on the interwebs to be an intolerably dull place--and with such sporadic chapter schedules over the past two months it's been nice to read the fics that have been posted to ease my Bleach needs.
pony_rocks: pic#84544780pony_rocks on January 25th, 2011 05:33 pm (UTC)
I like the weekend option, too.
I also think that fan-artists should limit themselves to pairings and topics relevant to Bleachness. Even better would be fiction and art made exclusively for Bleachness and no other com.
和山一朗burn1ngcha0s on January 25th, 2011 05:38 pm (UTC)
I like the weekend option the most, too. Weekend when I can sit back and chill with fanworks is a good weekend.
シボ 洋蔥さん: magatama goldnijibug on January 25th, 2011 06:43 pm (UTC)
Yeah, definitely going with the weekend option here
Astraea: rukialady_leia_solo on January 25th, 2011 08:52 pm (UTC)
Personally I like the fanworks and I'm not bothered by it. Although I can see how people may get annoyed by it, if they are just here for discussion and news.
Sugary_nitemare: Rukia Maidsugary_nitemare on January 25th, 2011 09:21 pm (UTC)
The weekend seems fine, but most people don't usually check Bleachness during the weekends. It always seems to be pretty deserted during that time though. Maybe the posts don't get as much attention on Saturdays and Sundays, but I wouldn't know that.

Either way, I'm fine with it on the weekends. However, I too am sometimes annoyed with the posts. Not the post itself, but the notification in my email. '^ ^
selenityshiroiselenityshiroi on January 25th, 2011 11:13 pm (UTC)
I never read any fic that's posted here and I very rarely look at fanart. I'm very picky about fic and I find it difficult to read fic for an ongoing series.

I totally agree with the point made about fics being crossposted to every Bleach community on LJ. The more I see a fic crossposted, the less likely I am to read it as I'll end up scrolling past the duplicate posts and not bothering to stop. And if there are more appropriate comms for fic and art, then maybe it's better if they are posted there and not everywhere.

However, I do sometimes read/view recs. So I totally second callings for a regular rec post!

(To be honest, if I wrote fic this would be the last community I would post it to. Not because I think of this comm as a news and discussion comm but because I think of it as debbiechan's comm and I'd feel weird about posting my stuff on a comm that started as someone else's fandom journal!)
Super Nintendo Chalmers: Rukia - bikini spread 2009strawberries_85 on January 25th, 2011 11:47 pm (UTC)
I like the weekend option as well as Kylara's suggestion.
shut your mush: capes 50% offimlikat on January 26th, 2011 04:30 am (UTC)
I read most of the essays and discussions that take place here, though I rarely comment. That's why I keep bleachness on my default view list; if I wanted lots of Bleach fanwork on my f-list, I'd watch one or more of the other comms. That sounds really grumpy, lol, but I'm just telling it like it is XD So I'm not really *bothered* by fanfic and art posted here, I think I'd prefer if they were just posted here on the weekends.

Also seconding (or seventhing) the idea of a weekly rec post :D That sounds like a great idea!
♀*La Muerte Chiquita*♀: Chadapprovesla_kalaka on January 26th, 2011 05:16 am (UTC)
I agree with a post dedicated to post/rec fanworks that's the best way to aboid a flood of post at Bleachness and at our f-list :3 Weekends would be cool :3