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11 December 2010 @ 10:13 am
This is sort of a holiday scolding  

This is sort of a holiday scolding but also an appeal for ... peace and goodwill.

You guys know the rule about character bashing in this community—I’m easy on it because for me it’s not as big a deal as REAL LIFE PEOPLE bashing, and we should note the difference in these days where fantasy worlds and real life become harder to distinguish on the Internet and elsewhere. Let’s just recall the recent chapter where Sensei had to distinguish between the two Ichigos on one page with “Warning: Orihime Vision” and “Reality.” And a couple pages later Kubo-sensei again makes the distinction between two Ichigos by cleverly contrasting Yuzu’s idealization of him and Karin’s cynical version. “He’s not an anime character,” Karin says—but of course, he is. Way to layer the poetry, Sensei.

In the end, these characters, as real as they may feel to us, are Kubo’s children, not ours.

I know I’m as emotional as they come but when it comes to character-bashing, I’ve often felt like the Asperger’s kid at the ballgame who doesn’t get the clue when everyone else is bemoaning the team’s losing score; my emotional responses to people telling me my favorite character is a fag or any one of my beloved ships is boring, sick, or (horror) “hopeless treacle” is to feel bemused. The other day, though, after a particularly rough week in Real Life, a random, rather mild comment about Ishida being “rude” in this past week’s chapter struck my heart like a flaming arrow.  Maybe I was incensed because I thought the reader misread the chapter to read Ishida’s rudeness directed at Orihime (it was directed at Ryuuken) or maybe it was because Ishida’s rudeness to me seemed so very in character, but when my heart was done smoldering (and I’d finished typing my curt response on the forum), I poked at the embers of my rage and thought, “wow, so this is what it feels like.” 

How do you stand it?

How do you stand this sort of anguish over what other people think about your favorite fictional people?  I mean, I understand the anxiety that comes from the text itself—I’ve been fretting over Orihime’s characterization for years, and for months I was worried if Ishida would ever be healed of injuries suffered on the dome (I wasn’t alone—his own seiyuu said on Bleach B station that he thought Ishida wouldn’t be!). I’m rather lucky in that while I have my favorites, I can easily be distracted from fretting over them because short of very few characters (and Kubo made me love Nnoitra eventually) I like what’s going on in Bleach all the time. Hell, I even enjoyed the Hueco Mundo arc (even though I sweated the pacing XD)—

But I’ll take the Hueco Mundo arc twice over for four more years to one more week of the way fandom has been behaving lately. Yeah, some of the usual nutcases campaigning for the Darwin Awards. Someone tells a fellow fan to die and fuck her whole family because of a shipping disagreement. There’s the usual skewing of facts and nobody listening to genuine discourse and only advertising the garbage. There’s Orihime hate which makes me twitch (look, I criticize the character plenty and am impatient with her characterization but I adore her—I truly adore her), there’s “Kubo he writes bad” stuff which has ALWAYS made me twitch (I don’t think he’s perfect by any means but his strength isn’t linear plot, it’s poetry and characterization and he takes his fucking time). There’s fussing and chiding and inordinate nonsense that I suppose is only to be expected when a new arc starts that's so full of mysteries but please, people, if there was ever a time called for patience—

The arc has only begun.

Bleach is Kubo’s baby—not ours. We’re free to speculate and hope, but when our hopes and speculations don’t align with the text, then don’t flame the author. Really, he’s doing what he wants to do.  Just admit that we can be wrong sometimes about our speculations (I do freely—I never understood the big deal about not predicting before more info was in—that takes a lot of fun out of predicting and the emotional payoffs when you’re right are just DANDY).  Be careful to not, like Orihime in the last chapter, confuse your own fanon with Kubo’s reality.

Shippers, shippers, shippers, pleaaaase. To those of you who feel like Orihime’s current in-love-ness with Ichigo negates the lessons of the whole Hueco Mundo arc and makes Ulquiorra’s death meaningless, remember that Kubo said that he planned to touch upon subplots of that very arc in this one. To those of you who are fed up with Orihime still being in love with Ichigo and falling on the floor while in the throes of that love, remember that this is Bleach redux and Orihime was in love with Ichigo in the beginning of Bleach and she’ll be in love with him now—only now things seem to have a darker tone for every resonance this time around. Why the hell isn’t Orihime wearing her hairpins? Why didn’t she heal Ishida in the last chapter?  Things will be explained in due time. To those of you celebrating Ichigo and Orihime canon because of the pair’s apparent new closeness, I celebrate with you that they do seem to be closer friends but I wouldn’t buy dresses for the wedding just yet. The ghost of those looks Ichigo and Rukia gave one another at the conclusion of the previous arc hovers over this one like that repeated panel of the moooooon.

It’s the holidays. Bleach will be off for a while. When it returns, we may get some answers about the Kurosaki family, Isshin’s past, maybe Orihime’s hairpins, maybe RYUUKEN (omg), so why can’t we all just be happy for the sake of the winter vacation time and in the spirit of good cheer not get all into one another’s hair over stupid shit? I know the holidays are stressful. G-D KNOWS my Hanukah time just about killed me and I have a bar mitzvah on the 25th. But I still look forward to my Bleach. Excuse me, Kubo-sensei’s Bleach. It’s mine only insofar in that he writes it and my imagination steals it.

Send your cards and letters not to me but to HIM at 

Kubo Tite
c/o Weekly Shounen Jump
Shueisha, Ltd.
2-5-10 Hitotsubashi
Chiyoda-hu, Tokyo
Japan
101-8050

He's not a bad guy. I have nothing but respect and affection for him, and I always get so sad when I hear people dissing him for not writing the story they want him to write. His story rarely disappoints me, only frustrates me with how long it takes but then again I suspect I will be heartbroken when it is finally over. I've seen people come and go in this fandom, and it's funny how much I still miss some of you from years ago. Maybe my faithfulness is that of a basset hound's but I'll never quit Bleach--especially not now when it's so interesting. Anyway, Happy Holidays. I won't be on much this weekend. I'm picking up a new kitten at the airport today actually. His name is Ichigo. ^^

(eta--ARRGH, to top off my bad week, Ichigo's driver person was in a wreck on the way to the airport so my kitty will be delayed... He's fine, Rhiannon is fine, but it seems my kitty has his namesake's bad luck this year.... I'm sad--please fandom, do NOT make me sadder!)

 

 

 
 
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gypsygrrl420gypsygrrl420 on December 11th, 2010 04:47 pm (UTC)
So, I have to say that as I'm fairly new to fandom (I've only gotten into Bleach about a year and a half ago) I don't really understand shipwars at all. Everyone has their personal preferences, and yeah, I can be pretty avid with my ship (Kensei/Shuuhei) but I suppose since I ship minor characters it doesn't draw as much heat.
There isn't a point in getting so rabid over a ship; they're fictional characters, and not everyone is going to agree on a ship--so why get all het up about it in the first place? I've read fics (good ones mind--bad writing just makes me cringe) from both sides of the war, and the fact remains...the dynamic is going to be different between Ichigo/Orihime and Ichigo/Rukia. I, for one, appreciate the differences, and can enjoy reading both.

As for Kubo and the truly reprehensible commentary over his storyline? It makes me furious. Like you said, it's his story. I simply enjoy sitting back and seeing where he takes the plotline every week, and the surprises he weaves into the storyline is always welcome. Yeah, I want to know what's happening in Soul Society, but he'll get back there eventually. I think focusing back on the Real World and Ichigo's family and friends was necessary after the FKT arc; it allows for a breather, and the spinning out of those lovely little twists that Kobo is so good at.

Anyhow, I hope your holidays are happy, and everyone makes it through relatively peacefully.
hinodeh: sando is readyhinodeh on December 11th, 2010 04:56 pm (UTC)
Some people don't like character bashing because they feel that their taste in characters or even all things fictional is being belittled.
Of course, that is not always true, and some bashers never mean to express more in their bashing than (sometimes irrational) hatred for a certain character. (Though personally, when someone speaks of character bashing, I immediately think of ultra-irrational stuff that may not even be true like "Orihime is a slut! Ishida is a a guy who cares more about showing off his strength then rescuing Orihime! etc.", instead of people who have completely rational reasons for their dislike.)

A lot of people have already said everything there is to say about Orihime's current behavior and why it strikes them as so frustrating and like a sign that her character has reset rather than progressing forward in some manner.
As it is, I feel the only way that KT can justify it while still making it look somewhat organic is if
a) she has hated some of her realizations and experiences in HM so much that she essentialy fell in deep denial and her nakama are either humoring her or haven't noticed yet
or
b) her attitudes towards some things have indeed changed, but they are not related to Ichigo or even Ishida.
I can't really think of another way to reintroduce the HM issues and resolve them without making her current moment of unrealistic Ichigo fangirling look completely out of place.
We'll see if and when these issues will be resolved, but except for the missing hairpins and her not even trying or requesting to heal, there is nothing really to cling to and I understand why many people have given her up for good. The constant disappointment is tiring and even though I'm better now I feel still pretty tired of this myself.

With the current plot of her possibly getting attacked by the new enemies, I suppose we'll probably see how she stands one the fight and protect issue right now, but of course, after all that happened, many are probably resigned to disappointment. I don't quite know myself how I should feel about it now. I guess for once I'll expect the worst myself: her not even thinking about using Tsubaki and just crying for Ichigo's help.
Now everything else will hopefully but a positive surprise, if even just a slight one.

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『ミカオル』 ☆mikaoru on December 11th, 2010 05:05 pm (UTC)
I couldn't agree with you more <3
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hinodeh: Hiryuu is scepticalhinodeh on December 11th, 2010 05:23 pm (UTC)
THIS SO MUCH.

I think there definitely are disagreements with the author that are just sour grapes about things not going your way. But likewise, there are disagreements where the author indeed committed some sort of error, be it implausible character development (or a complete lack of it), setting up plot twists or being able to keep the facts about his/her own world straight.
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(Anonymous) on December 11th, 2010 05:31 pm (UTC)
Oh Miss Debbie, your words are like fresh dew on the parched agitated grass of fandom. I wish I could give you something in return for your steadfast reminders to keep a level head when us fans start getting crazy (like maybe a backrub or a basket of tasty cheeses).

It's like the story of Bleach is a mountain with thick forests. We the reader try to make our way to the top of the mountain so that we may be able to see everything clearly, every beginning, end, and cliffhanger, and be able to make sense of it all. But just as we get above the first tree line and think that we're done there is more mountain to climb up ahead.

I’m getting crazy with the metaphors and analogies here.

Much love Miss Debbie! Get some rest and…Ohmygosh KITTEH!
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_debbiechan_: bleach_debbiechan_ on December 11th, 2010 06:18 pm (UTC)


Sometimes people need a fandom break, I understand that. Sometimes an author and an audience don't fit anymore--a temporary separation is called for. Sometimes this leads to an full out divorce. It happens. I don't fault anyone. Everyone has the right to his or own opinion of Bleach and to call an author on his failings but

impassioned first responses and Kubo bashing and the stuff I read from various sectors along the lines of "if Kubo doesn't do this or that, I'M GOING TO .... (insert act of cyber violence) are obviously not intended seriously but they always freaks me out. A few years go, someone who read a fanfic of mine said in public that she wanted to punch me in the nose. I was honestly scared for about two seconds--not becaue I'm a woos in RL but because the craziness seemed so uncalled for--it was like, okaaaay, don't like my story, go read something else?

Reader entitlement is a funny thing but then again, some of us have invested years and years of hope and attention to Kubo's story and we have come to expect things from him. The reader-audience relationship is a dance. Kubo leads, though. We follow. That's just the way it is. We're uke. He's the sadistic seme who gets to take as long as he wants before he delivers the coup de grace
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balladbirdballadbird on December 11th, 2010 06:08 pm (UTC)
Oh my god... I'd completely forgotten that we're fast approaching the Shonen Jump double-issue hell of December and January. >.< Agh, the fourth shinobi war is gonna take so long to get going.


As to what you have to say, I can't say I completely disagree. I'm constantly disappointed in Bleach, and have never shied away from saying so, but it's not within the bounds of what I consider good tact to be slanderous about what one likes and dislikes, so I just withdrew from the series and its fandom a bit and called it a day.

I'm still perplexed by the arc bashing that's apparently going on, Orihime aside. Not only has the arc just begun, as you said but from the (precious little, I admit) parts I've read it's off to an excellent start in terms of building suspense and leaving questions in its wake.

*shrug* eh, at the end of the day I suppose I'm not as patient or as optimistic as you are, Debbie. I'll continue to watch Bleach and Bleach fandom from afar, contributing my 1.5 cents when I feel they're worth people's times, but I've given up on ever liking it to even half the extent I once did.
_debbiechan_: meow_debbiechan_ on December 11th, 2010 06:21 pm (UTC)


I don't mind if you're not patient as a monk or optinistic as my PollyAnna self, sir. You're always funny and gentlemanly even when you're being somewhat dickish. I'm glad you're not gone forever because I'd miss you sorely. XD
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n a o k o || want your rad bromance: Oshawott- how do you not love this thingnendo_chan on December 11th, 2010 06:12 pm (UTC)
Thanks for writing this up- it feels like nothing pleases fandom lately, and it saddens me that stuff mainly revolving around shipping has to ruin this awesome arc.
_debbiechan_: EXASPERATED ISHIDA_debbiechan_ on December 11th, 2010 06:22 pm (UTC)

It's not just shipping. People miss the Shinigami.

People miss Rukia.

People miss Keigo's sister for all I know.
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njxaxsonnjxaxson on December 11th, 2010 06:53 pm (UTC)
You know, it's funny that you mention the vehemence of so many people online here.

To explain via example: I think IchiRuki is *obvious*, IchiHime is one-sided only, and I think (at least for the moment) that IshiHime is one-sided, too. But I think that's the dynamic of Bleach that Kubo *wanted* - if it was clear-cut and definitive, it wouldn't be as interesting. The fact that there's [wiggle] room for [forced] interpretation (brackets expressing my opinion that is not necessarily shared by others) allows for such vibrant discussion.

And there has been quite a lot of *very* sophisticated discussion on the subject. We've got articles here on Bleachness that are practically theses in applied psychology, dissertations in literary analysis of Bleach compared to the majority of the mainstream manga medium, and a whole host of other mature, deep discussions on the various relationships in Bleach. And in fact, that's because they are - for example, trying to properly explain Byakuya's behavior towards Rukia is a Jung/Freudian excercise of epic proportions. Bleach is worth discussion. That's the point.

Henceforth, people form opinions. Sophisticated ones, ones based on multiple factors. Some even they throw their intellectual weight behind those opinions, just like Kubo intended. And it's a bit sad, but at the end of the day, it's an ego thing. Some people just want to be validated, because they've invested so much into their opinions that they can't bear it if they turn out to be wrong.

So people get nasty about it, as a means of shielding themselves - even over the most trivial nonsense. I've had people send me all kinds of nasty messages just because I posted a notice for a fanfic I'm writing and that it was IchiRuki. Someone even left a review on my fanfic saying I should leave Bleachness because no one wants to hear my opinions, which is just a downright silly thing to say - if you don't like my opinions, don't read them....

In any case, that's my sense on the subject. It boils down to a sense of restraint and maturity, I think - we're adults and we can discuss shipdoms like adults; but if you can't, then you should just walk away rather than be nasty.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I couldn't help but comment.

Cheers,
-Nathan J
_debbiechan_: kaien friend_debbiechan_ on December 11th, 2010 07:49 pm (UTC)

People can be so silly. I want to hear your opinions. You're my friend.
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farnese_lady: Diseny land was fabulous.farnese_lady on December 11th, 2010 07:00 pm (UTC)
(We’re free to speculate and hope, but when our hopes and speculations don’t align with the text, then don’t flame the author. Really, he’s doing what he wants to do).

God, AMEN!
songsparrw1songsparrw1 on December 11th, 2010 07:09 pm (UTC)
((((((Hug))))))

If you think this is bad, check Anne Rice's facebook page! Anne has renounced organized religion because proclaimed followers behave so badly she wishes to disassociate herself from their ilk. And that would be RL relationships.

People are flawed, especially those not matured yet. We need to examine their consequences/accomplishments, decide whether or not we want to be associated with them, pray for them to be healed, and let them go (mentally scoot them outside our emotional radar), and lastly, focus on being the best people we can be. You do that, but I think you are stuck on the let them go and refocus part.

Your pages are quite open, and if you only allow friends (people you know to be rational) to post you could eliminate a lot of what I call "Graffiti". That is, messages proclaiming the poster's credo on your nickle.
_debbiechan_: CRAZY CAT LADY_debbiechan_ on December 11th, 2010 07:39 pm (UTC)

Anne Rice lived not far from me in New Orleans. She was in the periphery of my circle of writers and such ...

hmmm

I like most people and have a high tolerance for idiots and I like this community being open. I like leaving anon comments on this comm. I like leaving my kitchen door open and welcoming the stranger in the tradition of Abraham and Sarah whatever with the right to take off my shoes and express my own opinions and bitch if I want in my own kitchen, that is.

I don't know what I'm saying anymore. I'm tired. I'm sad my kitten is coming this weekend but yeah, the car wreck. I hope everyone stays sane, drives carefully and doesn't drink and drive in the coming crazy weeks. /holiday platitude for this comment
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Maria: meowreynardine on December 11th, 2010 07:14 pm (UTC)
Glad to hear that Ichigo the Cat is okay. Pics, later? (Yeah, I am crazy cat lady with four cats.)

I came back to the fandom after a long hiatus (ie Hueco Mundo bored me except for the Vizards and TBTP) and was astounded by the vehemence of the shipper wars. I have my preferences and reasons for them, but I respect the rights of others who have different tastes. And while I'll be happy to talk about my preferences, I don't want to bother arguing about them.

Honestly, it is a neat thing that the character cast of Bleach is deep and rich enough to support so many ships.
_debbiechan_: CRAZY CAT LADY_debbiechan_ on December 11th, 2010 07:48 pm (UTC)
I like arguing. Arguing is fun and profitable. It contributes to the greater understanding in my view.

I already have some pics of Ichigo as a baby... I may post later to cheer myself up--he's an orange orange kooky darling who once got a plastic bag stuck on his head because he was trying to lick the chicken smell inside it. He has giant feet and was born to a feral cat mommy. I have two other cats rescued from shelters. I'm looking forward to getting him but it will be later in the holiday season rather than sooner.

Sigh.
shinigami_1nabe on December 11th, 2010 07:55 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the appeal to be kinder to one another. Very apt for the holidays.

I, for one, have never had a problem with 'character-bashing'. I have a problem with personal threats and ill-intended words that belittle or hurt people who disagree with one's opinion. I have a problem with people accusing authors of being trolls just because the story is not going their way (such entitlement!)... But I think having an opinion, no matter how different or disparate, is not necessarily a bad thing. Not liking a character is not necessarily a bad thing. Expressing our opinions is definitely not a bad thing. I actually love the fact that in this community, we can have different opinions that we can share and discuss with one another.

I have to admit that I visit this community exactly because it's a place where I can see the range of opinions on what's going on in Bleach.

But then again, I'm not deeply immersed in Bleach communities outside of this one. I'm hardly even active here. So I don't have the battle scars that you and the more active members have. Whatever hostility I may have experienced in my early days in Bleach fandom (mostly because people in one forum thought it was lame that my favourite character was the 'small-boobed, bossy, old and dead' Rukia) is nothing compared to what many other members who venture outside of this community have had to take on.

My 'open-ness' to opposing opinions and 'character bashing' is coming from that perspective. I simply have not seen for myself how ugly this fandom can get.

I think it's OK to be disappointed in how the story is progressing. Where the disappointment is coming from and how it is expressed may be another matter altogether. I know that if Ichigo and Inoue get together romantically, I would probably not be able to look at Ichigo for a while, but I'd never expect Kubo to write the story that I want. It is his story. I am merely here to appreciate (and consume) it for as long as it remains interesting to me. It is his story that's why I can choose to walk away from it for whatever reason.

Now, attempting to convince others to walk away from the story with me would be a different matter altogether. Forcing people into supporting my opinion and my decision leave would just be... wrong.

I am remaining optimistic about Bleach though. I choose to believe that Kubo will tell his story the way he wants to tell it. I choose to believe that it will lead to a conclusion that is logical to what has happened in the story so far. It will all make sense.

That's the one thing that I've always loved about manga (as compared to 'western' comic book titles like Batman, X-men, etc): that the story belongs to one author / artist, what happens in it and how it happens rests solely on one person's vision. There won't be a new writing team at the end of each story arc that will take the characters in another direction. Kubo created Bleach and developed all of the characters. He is the one in control. And for someone who has grown up with the ever-changing writing and editorial teams in DC and Marvel comics, that is such a relief.

Kubo has a lot of story left to tell. And he will end Bleach eventually. While my interest will wane sometimes and I will get upset over what's going on in Bleach some days, but for now, I'm still buckled-down for the rest of the Kubo journey.

Happy holidays!
◦ a girl like me ◦: Bleach - Hisagi by thiscanbeginafteriwake on December 12th, 2010 05:26 am (UTC)
That's the one thing that I've always loved about manga (as compared to 'western' comic book titles like Batman, X-men, etc): that the story belongs to one author / artist, what happens in it and how it happens rests solely on one person's vision. There won't be a new writing team at the end of each story arc that will take the characters in another direction. Kubo created Bleach and developed all of the characters. He is the one in control. And for someone who has grown up with the ever-changing writing and editorial teams in DC and Marvel comics, that is such a relief.

Exactly! I'm a DC fan, and I get so tired of getting into one really good arc or following one really good author, and then the next one takes everything that I loved, tosses it to the wayside, and then does something completely different without regard to the history. For example, Amazons Attack was so out of character for Hippolyta, who I love. It turned me off to Wonder Woman for a long time. I'm not invested in Justice League anymore because of how every line-up changes when there's a new writing team. And when I told Dan DiDio at Comic Con this year that Countdown to Final Crisis almost turned me off to DC completely I was rudely told to "get over it," and not even meeting some of my favorite authors and artists (who were all very lovely people) could take away the sting of being told off by one of the bigwigs at the company for simply expressing my opinion. I read Bleach every week, and it's been months since I picked up a current DC title. I just don't trust western comics anymore, not really. I'll stick with the manga I've been devouring lately.
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stray_mikenekostray_mikeneko on December 11th, 2010 08:13 pm (UTC)
I don’t think it’s always as simple as “fictional characters are fictional.” People are often attracted to characters who remind them of themselves, and it’s probably hard not to take it personally when a character gets bashed for traits that you identify with. Comments about depressed characters being whiny and pathetic, for instance, could be hurtful to someone trying to deal with depression. If Ishida gets called a “fag” for not being macho enough for the fanboys, I can imagine that would be upsetting for guys who have to deal with these stereotypes in their actual lives.

I don’t usually identify with my favorite characters in this way, but it makes sense to me that people do. I get very irritated by fans who act like moral crusaders against whoever happens to dislike their favorite, but at the same time, I wouldn’t say that character bashing is automatically harmless just because it’s about fictional people. Of course, distinguishing “disliking” from “bashing” can be a pretty complicated issue too. I guess I’d define bashing as gratuitous insults (whore, bitch, moron, ought to kill herself, etc.) and/or canon distortion, where the reasons given for the hate don’t sound anything like what actually happened.

As far as hating on the author goes...again, there’s that difference between criticizing and bashing. Normally, I try to avoid places that are negative about Kubo because I enjoy so many of the things that annoy other people. In Orihime’s case, though, I actually wish there was more recognition that some of her “fail” is due to his writing issues. I still think he has something interesting planned for her, but there must have been ways for him to develop her character without making her lose so many fans. (And I’m pretty sure it’s not some kind of “cultural difference.” I was talking to a Japanese guy about Bleach ship wars earlier this week, and one of the first things he said was that Orihime gets bashed a lot in Japan.) No, fans are not patient, but I think that as a writer, he should have anticipated that. He could have given a more proactive role, instead of the whole “Orihime is about to do something—oops, never mind!” bait-and-switch routine that kept happening throughout the HM arc.
hinodeh: everyone loves a lady-knighthinodeh on December 11th, 2010 09:17 pm (UTC)
This post is awesome. I agree with everything and you said it all so well, too.
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Issues: Orihime- *embaressed*lovely_masoka on December 11th, 2010 09:19 pm (UTC)
I pretty much agree with you. And also..I always wanted to write Kubo a letter. *blushes* It wouldn't be a waste to write in English right?
_debbiechan_: All Turn Out OK_debbiechan_ on December 11th, 2010 10:04 pm (UTC)

Write simply and clearly and make it short. He can read English.
(no subject) - lovely_masoka on December 11th, 2010 10:05 pm (UTC) (Expand)