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05 December 2010 @ 01:34 pm
Fanarts from me, Orihime seiyuu movie pamphlet translation  

I drew stuffs!   A holiday Orihime (I like timeskip!Orihime in the manga but her hairpins are there in this pic because Orihime without her hairpins makes me nervous. She's happier with them I think. I want them back in her hair again! ) and an shoujo IchiRuki (for Annie and the current IR FC Christmas Wedding challenge).

Holiday Hime DA link

Wedding Night for annie

Big images under the cuts (bc I took the full size from DA and am too tired from drawing to resize at the moment)

More Mezzo translations! We had Oririn comment about Rukia a couple entries ago and this time mezzo_marinaio translated Yuki's words about Orihime's role in the movie. Frankly, I was happy with what I'd heard about Orihime's role but Yuki's words made me wince a little, but then again, I've never really liked her take on Orihime. At least one person on 2ch said Yuki made Orihime look bad.

Translation by mezzo_marinaio :


"Whenever I'm voicing Orihime, I'm always paying attention to how I can perform her genuinely. This time, I thought anew 'Well, Orihime's heart became stronger'. She was really happy to be depended on, and being trusted to take care of the medical treatment. About her highlight scene, when she sees Ichigo off and clings to his back... I feel that it was a way to convey with all her might her feelings of thoughtfulness for him. What she really wanted to say was probably 'Don't go'... but she couldn't stop him. I think after swallowing various thoughts, the words that came out of her mouth were 'Come back for sure...'. This time, the enemy is also quite fascinating. There might be many viewpoints about how to view his character, and with what feelings. Please enjoy watching the many hot battles on the screen!"

Well, Yuki does end her sentence with a でしょう... so she's just expressing her own opinion about Orihime's behaviour (while seeking others' confirmation), not giving us its definite interpretation (http://www.studyjapanese.org/language-reference/verbs/deshou).

Still, it's a very ugly thing to say, that your character would be perfectly willing to sacrifice her own friends just to keep her crush safe... which is why I think that Yuki must have just expressed herself badly here. I mean, given her words in the rest of the comment, she probably meant to say that Orihime's gesture and words at the time were the result of a variety of conflicting feelings... among which the desire to keep Ichigo from returning to Hell and put himself in danger again.

(Something like her scene in the manga where she ends up reassuring Ichigo that yes, his desire to save Rukia from Soul Society is not a bad thing at all - despite the fact that the ones that took her away were her own family and friends. She's shown hesitating out of worry there as well, if I remember correctly?)

Oh, and as for Orihime's feelings of 'thoughtfulness'... well, it's just the standard way for Japanese people to refer to emotion-driven thoughts (as opposed to logic-driven ones).

想い (omoi) = emotion-driven thoughts (or thoughts involving visualization)
思い (omoi) = logic-driven thoughts (or thoughts involving reflection)

想い can refer to all kinds of emotion-driven thoughts... love, hate, friendship, disdain, condescension, anger, affection, protectiveness, nostalgia, worry, and so on. Yuki uses the same word when she talks about the 'feelings' with which the audience might view the enemy of this movie.

This being Hueco Mundo Orihime, of course, it probably refers both to her love and her worry - Yuki was just being typically vague there. XD

So it doesn't seem like too big of a deal--more of natural sort of hesitation the way Mezzo describes but I'm biased against Yuki's anime characterization of Orihime anyway, I guess. I really don't like anime Orihime at all (anime Rukia slightly less in her filler roles but anime Orihime in her voice acting and the whole shebang).

eta: more viewer reviews of movie from nacchan at the IchiRuki FC (naturally with an IchiRuki bent) and a photo from poppy_moon's blog of really cute cut-outs promoting movie during tour of Ichigo and Rukia HERE
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hinodehhinodeh on December 5th, 2010 08:06 pm (UTC)
I hear ya about this making Orihime look bad. But I suppose this does not necessarily reflect KT's intent, so nothing to worry about, I'd say.

Thanks for sharing this
_debbiechan_: Orihime Avie by Jenni_debbiechan_ on December 5th, 2010 08:13 pm (UTC)

Well, Mezz said Yuki just expressed herself badly--which I think she tends to do on occasion. As well as perform Orihime flatly... but yeah, not much to worry about since manga Orihime is delighting 100% at the moment.

I can wait for Tsubaki...

*hunkers down*

Sigh... I can wait.
hinodehhinodeh on December 5th, 2010 08:19 pm (UTC)
It's okay, we all used up our Bleach waiting stamina long ago.
(Anonymous) on December 5th, 2010 08:12 pm (UTC)

XD...Anyway, great pictures Mrs. Debbie! Orihime does look holiday FABULOUS! (and I like the way you colored in Ichigo *stares at mussels*)

I'm grateful for all of the people here at Bleachness who work hard to provide the gift of translations, discussion, and fan stuff ALL YEAR ROUND!
_debbiechan_: Ishida hearts_debbiechan_ on December 5th, 2010 08:15 pm (UTC)

Awww, thank you.

I'm so tired. Going to bed early today. I've been sick and all excited from Hanukah, my kid's bar mitzvah preparation and waiting for infos on this movie and stuffs. Also the husband is giving finals and driving the printer crazy. I just spilled my rice on the carpet.

Yeah. Fandom is fun. <3 Love you guys too.
peca_06peca_06 on December 5th, 2010 08:19 pm (UTC)
*jaw hits the floor* Wow! that was odd... that she would think Orihime would say "DON'T GO!" on that moment when their friends are in HELL o___________________O !!!! the implications of that statement are terribly selfish :( . That is shocking! What is wrong with the seiyuus :/ (not as bad as the western ones, but seriously ... -____-).

The drawings are great. Always love the way you do Orihime's leggins. She looks very festive ^_^, it gets me into the spirit of the Holidays <333.
OH, like the hotel setting for Ichiruki (and the moon outside the window) <333. Rukia's tank top is to die for *__*. I really love the way it came out <333. You are so fast XD
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on December 5th, 2010 09:34 pm (UTC)

When I'm manic I draw fast. Actually I do better when I'm calmer. I'll do better this break as soon as the husband gets on vacation. I have some fics on hold and some fan projects I want to do. Thanks with the help on the figures. You really inspire me. I want to learn how to draw better--I'm going to do more pencil work when I get more time.
peca_06peca_06 on December 5th, 2010 09:42 pm (UTC)
OH, my absolute pleasure ^__^ and you flatter me big. I never thought I could inspire anybody <333. I so would love to see some pencil work from you <3333 You know how much I love pencil work *_____*.
pony_rocks: pic#84544780pony_rocks on December 5th, 2010 09:51 pm (UTC)
It's probably wrong, but that pose at the Wedding night picture made me think of Barbarella... :D
_debbiechan_: Neliel_debbiechan_ on December 5th, 2010 09:56 pm (UTC)

Actually Neliel made me think of Barbarella when she first appeared!
pony_rocks: pic#84544780pony_rocks on December 5th, 2010 09:59 pm (UTC)
Mmm, yes. There is something of Jane Fonda in her. :D
oh gallant piglet,: urahara-xmasaizome on December 6th, 2010 12:12 am (UTC)
beautiful arts, debbie! especially loving the orihime one. green looks so good on her.

i wish we spoiled westerners didn't have to wait so long to see the movie, but i suppose it will be worth the wait.
_debbiechan_: HOT HOT HOT HOT Ishida by Syn_debbiechan_ on December 6th, 2010 12:26 am (UTC)

*still not in bed but slowly melting my way there*

I'm dying to see the movie, just dying to. All that Ishida on the screen and I can't see it yet!
redgreendressredgreendress on December 6th, 2010 01:33 am (UTC)
Heh, I think in a way that's what Yuki meant, that she couldn't stop him because she knew he had a good reason for going. For all Orihime's faults, I doubt anyone really thinks she would ever ask Ichigo not to save their friends. If anything, she would like to be able to go with him.

I still don't like Yuki as a seiyuu though. Her sweet-japanese-girl voice gives me headaches, and I just don't quite imagine Orihime's voice being that high. I mean, I get that she's a bubbly, girly character and all, but that doesn't mean she has to talk like a chipmunk.

It kinda makes you remember what Hayao Miyazaki keeps saying about how hard it is finding the right seiyuu for his female characters. If only Bleach's anime team had the same screening process...
self-proclaimed cookie monsterxxboo_radleyxx on December 6th, 2010 03:01 am (UTC)
Honestly, I don't mind Orihime's jap voice actor compared to her english one.

Also her comment was completley within context if we think about this being the Orihime from HM. Orihime is selfish in her love, not as a character. And yes when everyone came to save her she was like "Thank you for coming to save me, Kurosaki-kun" completley ignoring her other friends or when she asked for Ichigo to rise up and save her she said "Save me" not "Save us" though that does not make it any better. This is what I would expect Orihime to be feeling at this moment and in no way am I justifying this rationality. But this IS the Orihime from the HM, the one who went to HM in the first place because she didn't think her friends could protect themselves, the one who is yes obsessed Ichigo.

So why do people think that her VA is wrong?

I like Orihime but I'll also be the first to admit that her love is selfish. Even saying "Just come back" rather than saying "Bring our friends back" displays her selfish emotions. BUT, yes I'm saying but, But because Orihime is not a selfish character she did not even attempt to stop him.

Does that make any sense?
(Anonymous) on December 6th, 2010 05:31 am (UTC)
This so much :)
_debbiechan_: Orihime Avie by Jenni_debbiechan_ on December 6th, 2010 09:58 am (UTC)

I just mentioned this to a friend last night--that it made sense in the context of Orihime overcoming selfish emotions--thinking "don't go" but not voicing them.

But I doubt Yuki thought it that much through--or did she? Is she like us fans who think through stuffs like this?

Anyway, I really dislike thinking of the Orihime who only thanked Ichigo for coming to save her and who asked Ichigo to save her on the dome, so...

I'm glad this movie doesn't give us any of that.
self-proclaimed cookie monsterxxboo_radleyxx on December 6th, 2010 11:43 am (UTC)
Super Nintendo Chalmers: Timeskip!Orihimestrawberries_85 on December 6th, 2010 05:36 am (UTC)
Hmmm, I agree with Mezzo's thoughts here, but perhaps I am slightly biased, like you Debbie. It just seems like...she is saying Orihime's more worried about Ichigo being "ok" than getting the rest of the friends back to safety. Idk, maybe I'm looking into it too much. To be honest I am not a huge fan of Yuki's portrayal of Orihime but then again, I don't like anime!Orihime half as much as manga!Orihime.

Edited at 2010-12-06 05:38 am (UTC)
Dunnehdunneh on December 6th, 2010 05:41 pm (UTC)
I don't really disagree with Yuki's comment-- after all this is the character who, when Rukia was dying, was concentrating more on Ichigo's reaction to that than on saving Rukia-- her friend. Later on, she chides herself for feeling that way, and recognizes her selfishness in that situation but it doesn't change the fact than when faced with the possibility that her crush cared about someone else (in what she perceived as a possibly romantic context?) she was jealous. Enough to make her tune out to not only the reality of the situation, but enough to make her forget about her friend momentarily. If you think about it, it is slightly unreasonable of her-- yes perhaps Orihime saw something in Ichigo's eyes that made her heart ache-- (I don't think her intuition is wrong either, frankly). But looked at impartially, it's perfectly normal for Ichigo to be worried for his friend, given her life hangs in the balance. Can you say he wouldn't show the same concern for his other friends? (You could, but the fact is she hasn't got that situation to compare it to, only the one she's seeing). To me, this does make Orihime's reaction to that situation slightly unreasonable and selfish, and explains a lot about how Orihime feels about Ichigo.

This doesn't make Orihime a bad person, or even a bad character; it only makes her human. She recognizes that part of herself as a bad thing. And she actively fights against it. But she can't help but think that way... for her, it's like a gut reaction to the situation. Even when Ichigo was depressed and Rukia returns and pulls him out of his funk, for Orihime, the happiness/relief of Ichigo feeling better was kind of overshadowed by the jealousy she felt. The jealousy comes first, the rationality comes later. So, with the context of her past behavior (and there are more examples in the HM arc) it's normal (in my opinion) for Orihime's unsaid thought to be, 'don't go' possibly. Even saying 'come back for sure' is slightly selfish-- she could have said 'save them,' or 'I believe in you;' etc. But she makes the parting about herself and what she needs, namely, needing Ichigo to come back for certain. I feel in her heart it'll always be 'Ichigo > Everyone Else' to Orihime, and that coupled with her relative immaturity regarding romantic love (I sometimes think her perception of Ichigo is completely flawed, namely that she has a knight in shining armor complex) makes her reactions slightly unhealthy.

However, I think the beauty of Bleach and Kubo's characterizations is that all the characters have flaws... some endearing and some not so endearing. I think Orihime's thoughts and reactions are very real reactions, and they can be somewhat ugly at times. I personally know I'm not above jealousy in my own personal life, and like Orihime, it comes in small fleeting thoughts I often stifle. For example, my mother recently went overseas to meet a guy friend she knew online. Things seem to be going great for her. Her hapiness means everything to me, but there's still a part of me that doesn't want to lose her and because of that, part of me wished she wouldn't go, or that they wouldn't get along. However, I've never said this to her or tried to sabotage the relationship with him. In fact I encouraged her to go meet him as soon as she was able. I'm happy she's happy-- that's all I care about really-- but there's still a small part of me that is unhappy for me.

I feel that this is often what Orihime feels, and I think when she steps back and looks at things rationally, she knows she shouldn't feel that way... and she tries hard to fight those feelings; it's just stronger than her-- and for all her character's strengths, loving Ichigo is almost a weakness of character. But like boo_radley said, she's selfish in her love, not as a person. We already know she would sacrifice herself for her friends in an instant, that she is inherently selfless, kind and determined. So we know that first and foremost she wants her friends to be okay. It's just that a big part of her love for Ichigo makes the thought of losing him so unbearable it kinda overwhelms her other thoughts.
Dunnehdunneh on December 6th, 2010 05:53 pm (UTC)
On the voice acting... I'm surprised a lot of people don't like Orihime's voice. I actually like all the Japanese voice actors quite a lot. I do feel Orihime is slightly shrill but I think she does a good job.

For me, I liked Orihime more before I started reading the manga... which I started just after watching all of the SS arc. Generally Orihime lost her shine for me because of that Rukia healing scene and the start of the HM arc with the bedroom scene, which I've only seen in the manga so far. Thinking about it still kinda irks me. However, I will say I started liking Orihime again after HM wrapped up... this is partly because I've tried hard to put myself in the character's shoes and see things from Orihime's point of view. After doing that, I felt I was being too harsh on her, almost putting her on a pedestal, thinking, 'well she shouldn't do this, she shouldn't be jealous, it annoys me when she's immature, she should have been better than that, she should be more stoic, she should be everything I want in a character, she should be perfect' and I realized I was being kind of selfish regarding Orihime's character development. Not only that, but it was unrealistic to want her to be perfectly stoic instead of jealous when, I'd probably react the same way in the same situation. This made me realise it's a very pure, very real reaction of a girl with a crush/in love. And viewed in that context, I was able to enjoy Orihime again. I think she'll mature and get better and better.

As usual, I talk too much. Sorry. =X