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04 December 2010 @ 05:21 am
Movie is out in Japan!  

There are JumpBang specials and new CMs--with footage we've seen before and nothing too exciting unless you want to see Morita burn his tongue on hot noodles in a crazy challenge, lol, then check out the BA movie thread.

We have a really cool picture of Ichigo in the new skullclad form he uses in the final battle with Rukia looking on, taken from the movie pamphlet, thanks to Annie and IR FC.

Cut for movie spoilers and strong opinions

Pic below and translation by Nacchan from  here. Comments by Mezzo. Interesting parallels are interesting.

Thank you Annie-san and Athena-san <33

Orikasa-san comment report

My favorite scene is when Rukia said 「Calm down」to Ichigo who was rushing blindingly to Kokutou and gave his sense/rationality back to him

She's always watching over Ichigo that's why she's able to say words like that,
and that is Rukia's appeal for this movie

she watches over his surroundings and always supports Ichigo calmly
Rukia could feel Ichigo's change (transformation) and that makes her heart one step stronger than before

Rukia's introduction page in the characters illustration book

She watches over Ichigo who keeps running from his honest feeling and stay by his side.
She always try her hardest to help him


OMG OMG the pararel with the dome is so blatant it's not even funny O.O

They are in hell, Rukia is there watching over Ichigo with an enemy that actually harming her, stabbing her and taking her hostage, their friends are all dead from hell miasma, yet she didn't gave up and didn't screaming for help AND still supports him, calming him down.. and you see how Ichigo doesn't turn into a mindless rampaging monster but he got a new power that saves them all as result

comment by mezzo_marinanio:

Quote Originally Posted by Nacchan

She watches over Ichigo who keeps running from his honest feeling and stay by his side.
She always try her hardest to help him

... as if the parallel wasn't obvious enough already.

This page doesn't use the verb 'help' (手伝う), but the verb 'save' (助ける).

Yep, the same verb Orihime used to call for Ichigo's help on the Dome.

Ok, deb here (Naccan was in blue and Mezz in red). Hmm, it does look like this much of the spoilers are being confirmed now, not that I doubted them with so many people repeating them. The parallel referred to above was something I was personally looking forward to from this movie--some further insight about the Lust story. Especially since Sensei had the movie start with a flashback of the UlquiIchi fight, I wanted confirmation for fandom (which had irritated me to no end with its "Ichigo's new form is a glorious savior" chant) that this IchiThing transformation was wrong and Orihime's behavior on the dome was a failure. I'd hoped the moment that I saw that this movie would feature IchiThing that it would deal with Ichigo's issues of wanting to protect (it may do the job in this one respect--the Byakuya lecture to Ichigo sounds like it will break my heart!) and Orihime's not doing all she could on the dome (yes, she threw up her shields, healed, and had a very understandable nervous breakdown but in the good shounen way she didn't fight against all odds like Ishida who did so with one hand against Ulquiorra--she didn't shoot her offensive weapon Tsubaki and she didn't fulfill her pre HM vow of fighting alongside Kurosaki). Apparently this movie doesn't deal with the latter issue directly but it does give us some amazing parallels. It does show us how IchiThing wasn't a hero. There is a parallel for Ichigo's form in manga canon and a parallel for Orihime's behavior as well--for the former, an in-control hollow who doesn't rampage (this skull-clad version) and who draws on the strength of others to defeat the enemy. And for Orihime's behavior, well let Ky speak
here in this post because this is her topic.

eta: Another image--a drawing by Kubo-sensei from movie pamphlet, thank you Annie:

Super Nintendo Chalmersstrawberries_85 on December 4th, 2010 11:50 am (UTC)
LOL, it's funny how people started freaking out a little about the Ichihime scene and now we have this. Not to bash the Ichihime scene, I think it was very sweet of Orihime to do what she did, to care for Ichigo and support him in her own way, but this. This is just amazing. I'm so happy right now. <3
_debbiechan_: Orihime by senbonzakura77_debbiechan_ on December 4th, 2010 12:03 pm (UTC)

The only thing I was worried about was when the reports said Orihime hugged Ichigo that there may not have been concern from her about her other friends and that would have been so... aargh but apparently she does worry about her other friends stuck in Hell too so I'm fine--that's Hime, all distraught and that fits her HM self. And she's healing everyong here so I'm fine with that.
The Main Gauche of Enlightenment: Kneesocks is visibly painedvelvetsword on December 4th, 2010 12:34 pm (UTC)
I want to be ninja hugged from behind by Orihime. (;___;)
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on December 4th, 2010 12:57 pm (UTC)

I want to be ninja hugged from behind by Orihime. (;___;)

LOL, I wouldn't mind the press of her boobage either. I await reports as to whether she actually boob-presses him or as one report has it--only lays her forehead against his back. I'm sure it's very touching. Orihime scenes tend to be. I kinda don't want to see her cry though.
Super Nintendo Chalmers: Aye sir! - Gray & Happy 2.0strawberries_85 on December 4th, 2010 12:36 pm (UTC)
That would've annoyed me too, but I'm glad she shows concern for all her friends and gets to have at least a touching scene in a movie. It fits her pre-timeskip behaviour and probably the context in the movie too.
The Main Gauche of Enlightenment: Scanty is suave (rose)velvetsword on December 4th, 2010 12:47 pm (UTC)

Either Orikasa or Kubo has the biggest trollface imaginable on ATM.

Also, I like this movie. It seems like everyone's attitude towards Ichigo is so positive, like the whole thing is an expression of how much they like him. It's cute.
(Anonymous) on December 4th, 2010 01:29 pm (UTC)
I heared that orihime only lays her forhead aganist his back but the hug was humor . the only one will hug ichigo is rukia :)
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on December 4th, 2010 05:39 pm (UTC)

Actually I've heard from various sources that it's a touching moving scene.
(Anonymous) on December 4th, 2010 06:49 pm (UTC)
But is this scene even confirmed yet? I myself am not worried about it one bit, but i'm just curious because it seems odd that Orihime would do something like this and it be shown in the movie. Just because she's rarely in any of the movies and showing affection like this is odd for her, save her FLOL.

Mind if I can where you got the sources?
_debbiechan_: Aizen ILLUSION_debbiechan_ on December 5th, 2010 04:02 pm (UTC)

Gah, various sources from blogs and 2ch when the pre-premiere screenings were held. You can doubt all you want, but various people reported the same thing. 2ch is notorious for posting fake spoilers before chapters and only a few people have the actual JUMP in hand but this is a different sort of situation--actual people had access to the screening and the movie pamphlet and scanned it.

Anyway, bloggers are posting about this hug now and it appears to be mild, no boob pressing as speculated.

From drawings on Pixiv from people who have seen this hug, it appears Orihime tugged at Ichigo's shirt from behind and pressed her forehead to his back. You have to be careful with viewer interpretations though because with FTB we did get an artist rendition of a face-cupping of Rukia from Ichigo during their hug scene and there wasn't any face-cupping and a only rather quick, awkward (but still adorable) frontal body hug.

from Pixiv:

sleepwalkersleepwalkerrrr on December 5th, 2010 07:40 pm (UTC)
Actually, while he didn't cup her face he did swiftly sweep/cup her head/face/hair when releasing that, right ? Can't show it right now but I remember it quite clearly.

Don't know what the antennae are, but naked Rukia ftw. Is she unconscious or something ?
_debbiechan_: Rukia_debbiechan_ on December 5th, 2010 09:38 pm (UTC)

She's being reborn. She was dead in Hell, along with Renji and Ishida. She's being re-made into a "citizen" of hell or something like that.

No clue about the antennae. First think I thought of were Nameks. XD
(Anonymous) on December 6th, 2010 08:11 am (UTC)
If you're referring to the two stick-with-bubble-top figures on top of the skull ('antennae'?), the taller one is labeled as Kokutou, and the shorter as Rukia. I think the artist was just trying to sketch their relative positions on the top of the skull-shaped hill.

As for the Rukia pic, there's a speech bubble going "YOSSHAAAA...janakatta. Fuku kiru aaaa." which roughly translates into "YESSSS... oh never mind. She put on cloooothes!" I assume the little strawberry in the speech bubble is inferring that this is what Ichigo's reaction on seeing Rukia like that was. :D

- moonflowers from BA
mezzo_marinaiomezzo_marinaio on December 6th, 2010 10:09 am (UTC)
As for the Rukia pic, there's a speech bubble going "YOSSHAAAA...janakatta. Fuku kiru aaaa." which roughly translates into "YESSSS... oh never mind. She put on cloooothes!" I assume the little strawberry in the speech bubble is inferring that this is what Ichigo's reaction on seeing Rukia like that was. :D

I'm actually reading that one as 'YOSSHAAAA... janakatta. Fuku kiroooooo", which would be 'YOSSHAAAA... nope, it wasn't. Put on some clooooooothes". XDDD

I think she means to say that Ichigo did not voice all the fanboys' honest opinion, and instead was worried about her being naked? XD Though it could also just be the imagination of the artist, lol. XDDD

P.S. Also LOL at the 'Orihime-chan, who never lets a chance go by' arrow next to the clinging Orihime. XDDD
_debbiechan_: CUT OFF_debbiechan_ on December 6th, 2010 11:55 am (UTC)

'Orihime-chan, who never lets a chance go by' arrow next to the clinging Orihime.

omg, lol.
(Anonymous) on December 5th, 2010 02:13 am (UTC)
Ichigo did hug Rukia in movie 3....
but I want to see more! :P

I really don't care about orihime's hug because the one I care is the STORY and Ichigo turns Hollow and how did Rukia support and help him, their relationship is so unique and special.
(Anonymous) on December 5th, 2010 02:35 pm (UTC)
you are right :)
Alexa-chanalexaclyne on December 4th, 2010 02:40 pm (UTC)
Dang, I wanna see the movie like, nao!!! >u
mrdracospirit on December 5th, 2010 11:29 am (UTC)
And we proberly have wait like 12 months :(
Alexa-chanalexaclyne on December 10th, 2010 11:19 am (UTC)
That sucks. ;;n;; Why, oh WHY AM I NOT JAPANESE!!?? xDD
Sugary_nitemare: Byakuya Sakura tree bankaisugary_nitemare on December 4th, 2010 06:36 pm (UTC)

The spoilers look great! Thanks for sharing them. =3 I don't know why, but I've always wanted Kubo to do a hostage type thing with Rukia '^ ^. My mind's just messed up that way.

Naked Rukia? I don't know, but that doesn't sound so bad, especially in Ichi's case. >:D Sadly though, I know nothing ['naughty'] will happen.
redgreendressredgreendress on December 5th, 2010 01:20 pm (UTC)
Just a little note/question/suggestion on the translation "Nacchan" did for this part here:

She watches over Ichigo who keeps running from his honest feeling and stay by his side. She always try her hardest to help him.


I was a little confused by this part above (non-advanced student that I am), so I did a quick research and found this expression here:

感情に走る - act on one's emotions; be carried away by one's feelings; get (become) emotional

(source: http://jisho.org/words?jap=%E6%84%9F%E6%83%85%E3%81%AB%E8%B5%B0%E3%82%8B&eng=&dict=edict)

And 突っ走る means to "run swiftly", so it doesn't really change the meaning of the expression as a whole. So, 自分の感情に正直に突っ走る一護 would, if I'm not terribly mistaken, become something more along the lines of "Ichigo who (frankly) is (swiftly) carried away by his own emotions" or if I'm given a little more wiggle room "Ichigo who is often (swiftly) carried away by his own frank/honest feelings".

The whole thing put together I think would be something like "She stands by, doing her best to watch over and help (save) Ichigo, who is often carried away by his own honest emotions".


At least, I think that's what it sounds like.

By the way, I feel like I should mention again that I'm by no means an advanced JPN student and have very little clue of what the ethics on fan translations are, so if I'm wrong, or if I'm being inappropriate, sorry ;P
_debbiechan_: bleach_debbiechan_ on December 5th, 2010 02:25 pm (UTC)

Thanks for that.

I just got the general impression that Oririn meant that Rukia watches over Ichigo who is impulsive. That's the canon version I get of the IchiRuki relationship anyway. He gets carried away with his feelings--acts on them, gets depressed or (as we see in the current narrative) denies them.
redgreendressredgreendress on December 5th, 2010 03:14 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's the idea I got too. In fact, I think the gist of what Orikasa says about Ichigo is that he often acts on "frank/pure emotion" alone, and Rukia's always having to kind of swoop in there and tell him to slow the hell down, like she apparently does in the movie. I usually think anime!Rukia is pretty OOC sometimes, but that part sounds pretty fitting. It's basically what I've heard the fans say for years - that Ichigo's hotheaded and impulsive and needs cool, sensible Rukia to rein him in XD