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29 October 2010 @ 12:04 pm
Confused. Maybe you guys can help me . . .  
Had a small but infuriating convo with a friend about Kubo-sensei's work ethics. We were talking about how Kubo-sensei's fan never hesitate to say exactly what they think about the manga, both positive and negative, and it's been my understanding that sensei has never changed his story or his style based what what fans have said. I remember reading a quote, "I write Bleach for my characters". Yet this friend of mine has stated that Kubo has taken suggestions from fans in order to get more readers and become more popular. Is it just me or does that sound nothing like Kubo?
Are there any tweets or blog post baking up either argument?
Current Mood: confusedconfused
Becky: Soul Eater - Death the Kidgully_moe on October 29th, 2010 04:09 pm (UTC)
As far as I recall, I only remember people taking an interest in Orihime more. Kubo intended to Tasuki to be a main character, but he focused on Orihime's development instead.

But I can't think of anything else. I don't think your friend is completely correct.
_debbiechan_: What would KUBO DO?_debbiechan_ on October 29th, 2010 05:57 pm (UTC)

I'd heard that story long ago myself but never found the source. It's fanon as far as I know--my guess is that Tatsuki and Orihime's roles grew organically and may have been different from Sensei originally intended but as far as I know there was never a poll or a direct quote from him saying that interest in Orihime made him choose to develop her in the second arc as opposed to Tatsuki. That may be just another rumor akin to the "there's going to be a Turn Back the Pendulum style arc about the Espada " that got so much credence lately.

Honestly, Kubo has said he writes for the sake of his characters. That's a true artist's statement but he's as subject to influences as the rest of us. Editors, audience--they all play a role. I believe that Kubo-sensei has stated that when he writes for anyone besides the characters, even if he writes for himself, his characters "die" a little.
pony_rocks: pic#84544780pony_rocks on October 29th, 2010 07:13 pm (UTC)
The role of an editor is extremely important, as I think most people know. SJ is well-known for the strict control over its authors, as each of the authors of currently published series is assigned one, with whom he must consult most of things. Several critics (including Fujimoto and Natsume, I think) claim that editors might even be called co-authors in most cases. Of course, major authors like Kubo get a slightly different treatment, yet they are still under considerable control. And as these editors indeed do take into account what fans think (through polls and questionnaires concerning not only the series itself, but also favourite styles, motives, music, sweets, fashion brands etc. of the readers), this might be one of the ways how could fandom potentially influence the manga in some way.
♀*La Muerte Chiquita*♀la_kalaka on October 30th, 2010 04:51 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the bit of info Pony :3
magnoliastorm on October 29th, 2010 09:01 pm (UTC)
off topic, but i love your icons debbie. they're always so appropriate!
Super Nintendo Chalmersstrawberries_85 on October 29th, 2010 04:13 pm (UTC)
What exactly is your friend referring to and is there an actual source for her saying this other than it being what she thinks is true? I'm not trying to be bitchy, I'm just trying to make sense of it.
Yoshimune Haruko: Haruko pink cuttieharuharaharuko6 on October 31st, 2010 08:53 pm (UTC)
I kind of feel it was said for the sake of arguing . . . he just siad there were blog posts stating this to be true, but he had no web site source he could share with me, which makes me suspicious. I feel that I also have to take into account that he is not a fan of bleach and is constantly putting it down.
Super Nintendo Chalmersstrawberries_85 on November 1st, 2010 03:28 am (UTC)
No offense to your friend but it seems quite suspicious to me too. As the others have said, it's most likely unture. The internet can spin the smallest of things.
balladbirdballadbird on October 29th, 2010 04:53 pm (UTC)
No, Kubo has never taken suggestions from fans in order to increase the popularity of his manga. He has stated as much, and the only reason someone would have to doubt his word would be because something happened in the story that they didn't personally predict/want, and they're looking for an excuse for why they're wrong.

you'll find not a tweet, nor a reliable blog post that will validate such a ludicrous claim.
Yoshimune Haruko: shirosaki kingharuharaharuko6 on October 31st, 2010 08:54 pm (UTC)
I thought as much. Thank you! ^_^
Shinigami_Lucia: cute girl 01shinigami_lucia on October 29th, 2010 05:11 pm (UTC)
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think I remember reading something Kubo said in an interview or on his twitter that he writes certain things, not because he was pressured to write it, but because he wants to write it even if some people don't agree or understand why. He also said that he don't do things or sell/promote something just to get a boatload of money, and that he write or do them because he wants to do it.

I personally think he does listen to his fans, but I don't think he's influence by it as in changing something in the manga because someone or a majority said so.
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Yoshimune Haruko: Haruko tokyo redharuharaharuko6 on October 31st, 2010 08:57 pm (UTC)
Thank you! Since I've always been sure that when Kubo-sensei said "I write for me characters", he really meant it and stuck by it. That's the Kubo I support and fangirl over.
Kim!: Mmm... Jump...spartydragon on October 29th, 2010 05:18 pm (UTC)
I'm under the impression that he does check in to see what the fandom's up to from time to time, but only uses it as a barometer - and sometimes what we're geeking about surprises him and gives him new ideas. So, the fans do kind of have a sideways influence.

People claim Kubo is a master troll, but I don't really sense any direct Fandom Manipulation Purely for the Lulz type motives. He seems to be pretty wrapped up in his own story and he's gonna make sense of everything at his own damn pace. X)
(Anonymous) on October 29th, 2010 06:08 pm (UTC)
I don`t think he takes direct suggestions for the story.
But I think he delivers fan service occasionally, i.e cries for "MOAR character X!" for example: Hitsugaya at the beginning of the Arrancer Arc.

SilvaNoir: FearlessLeaderxilvrin on October 30th, 2010 02:51 am (UTC)
Yeah, I think the main story is all Kubo's idea, whether anyone likes it or not. The side things.... like the movies, merchandise, and color spreads however do seem heavily swayed by fan demand. Grumpy ice boy got his own movie because he's so popular, afterall.
SummelBaerli: ...summelbaerli on October 30th, 2010 11:57 am (UTC)
Well, but the movies aren't written by Kubo, much like the anime-only episodes. He may have a say here or there, but it's mainly the studio which writes the plot etc for the movies. And of course it wants to sell, so it's only logical they'd go after fan demand - it's not called "fan-service" for nothing ;)
Same can be said about merchandise. It's just something to make profit of, not part of the main story.
Shinigami_Lucia: cute girl 01shinigami_lucia on October 30th, 2010 02:32 pm (UTC)
The merchandise I can view it as a fan-service, but movies that Kubo has a personal involvement in it's production, is a different story for me. He may not have written the plots, but if he's part of the creation of that particular movie, then I consider that a part of his intention & idea for his series.
_debbiechan_: What would KUBO DO?_debbiechan_ on October 31st, 2010 12:17 am (UTC)

All movies, even Fade to Black despite its being billing Kubo as creative producer, were concept originated by other people. Kubo did work heavily with FTB; he said in interview he discussed the ending at length with the director and took out some parts.

The concept of the coming movie, however, is Kubo's. This is unlike what he's done before--such as when he wrote a song for Unohana in the musical or has designed villains here and there for anime filler. Bleach movie number four will have a LOT of Kubo all over it, and the makers know that fans appreciate the "KUBO STAMP OF APPROVAL" so the movie is being marketed as such--note the CM that begins with Kubo drawing Ichigo.

Some merchandise, though, Kubo never even sees before it gets to production. He approves a lot of it and he's listed as a co-writer of the databooks. His involvement in the anime, though, is minimal--he sees the episodes only days before we do and after they're done.
Yoshimune Haruko: Haruko orangeharuharaharuko6 on October 31st, 2010 09:01 pm (UTC)
Speaking of "grumpy ice boy" and the movie, is it safe to say that Toshiro's back story in that movie were what Kubo had in mind for his character? Is was that just a spur of the moment "let's make a movie about Toshiro because he's pretty popular with the fans" kind of thing? Just curious. ^_^
pirottesse on October 29th, 2010 08:17 pm (UTC)
In my opinion the biggest proof that Kubo draw just for himself and his characters was Ulquiorra`s death. He knew what fandom (specially female fandom) were gonna feel with that and he did it anyways. That was admirable considering what the editors would say to him later about one of the most popular characters....
nahlackasexical on October 30th, 2010 03:33 am (UTC)
Similarly, when he refused to confirm said death, he was not being swayed by "female fandom" as many would like to believe XD
pirottesse on October 30th, 2010 08:38 pm (UTC)
Honestly... is out there someone who thinks Ulqui is still alive? ;-)
nahlackasexical on October 30th, 2010 09:39 pm (UTC)
You're looking at her ;-)
_debbiechan_: ulqui gif_debbiechan_ on October 31st, 2010 12:18 am (UTC)

I think he's dead but I'm sure he's coming back. I honestly believe his death and comeback were planned together. XD
The Lurker: urahara_shoplurk_stiltzkin on October 30th, 2010 05:53 pm (UTC)
"I write Bleach for my characters"

He did say in his MASKED interview that 'I wish the readers doesn't have the impression in loving a character(hisagi especially) when they didn't even know much about a character, but the readers need to understand the character only to fall in love with him/her, that's why I made hisagi plays an active role in FKT battle.'
The way he fleshed out Hitsugaya, his most popular character a lot in the series is fan service too I guess.
Eventually, even without an influential editor, there's always the publisher after them. Shueisha's been known in the past to force Toriyama Akira to extend Dragon Ball when he originally intended to end it. Oda Eiichiro also admitted in his SBS corner that he originally planned One Piece only up to volume 40, and more than a decade later, we're in chapter 602, and he said that it's only halfway. Those two are Shonen Jumps's top mangakas, and even they're not give the special treatments.
Obviously, even when Kubo doesn't intend to, his publisher can force him to do otherwise (a.k.a. relenting to the fans' will) if it will keep them continuing to read Bleach and promote future sales. Sadly to say, capitalism sometimes win.
nahlackasexical on October 30th, 2010 09:41 pm (UTC)
Fan service doesn't come out of thin air. The fans want what Kubo makes them want, for the most part. Drawing more of a popular character is one thing, but changing his story's tune is another.