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27 September 2010 @ 08:23 am
We have rebuttal to Karenai's essay!  
Warning for shipping.

We've waited over a year for someone, anyone, to answer karenai 's Lust Arc essay (linked on side of this community). The author has asked over and over for a response, and now it seems we do have a long and comprehensive rebuttal:

The rebuttal essay is Orihime Loves Ichigo. The title itself is deceptive since that statement itself is arguably canon fact (although Karenai's essay does, among other things, conclude that Orihime does not really love Ichigo--I have always disagreed with her about that one particular). This essay, posted on a site that doesn't allow for comments, addresses many points besides Orihime's love for Ichigo and does seem to beg for comments insofar as it seems to be riddled with errors. I'm asking everyone here who responds to it to read the whole thing before responding, to be on his or her best behavior before responding, to acknowledge the effort that went into compiling all the documentation in the essay and to refrain from mocking statements, but please, address the more outrageous claims. In particular I'm interested in the issue of Viz's translation being the one correct source, the characterizations of romance in shounen, Rukia's characterization ("Rukia is as naive as Hinamori when it comes to a pretty face"), the idea that Ichigo and Rukia being a couple would cause havoc among the nakama, and the bizarre conclusion that it wasn't Ulquiorra's breaking off IchiThing's horn but Orihime's calling out to IchiThing that caused Ichigo's transformation back to normal and caused him to not fire the cero at Ishida.

Anon comments disabled. Please, respond succinctly and politely.

eta: and in anticipation of the question why link this essay and not other IchiOri essays, the answer is that this is the only one I've seen that directly responded to an essay on this site.
 
 
 
hinodeh: comfortablehinodeh on September 27th, 2010 02:01 pm (UTC)
Re: my take, part 1.
Good rebuttal. Though I'd say that Beruhime seems to miss the fact that "shounen" is a boad umbrella term that encompases many kinds of stories targted at male teens.

When some fans cry that there's not romance in shounen the usually mean its subgenre fighting shounen. Boys Be, Macross, Eureka 7, Howl's Moving castle, Full Metal Panic and even Full Metal Alchemist (too much plot too little fighting, among other things) do not belong in this subgenre.

She should talk about One Piece, Shaman King, Fairy Tail (this one is really good to prove her point!), D.Gray-Man, Flame of Recca etc.
Grenat: you sure?escarboucle on September 27th, 2010 04:20 pm (UTC)
Re: my take, part 1.
Shaman King

It's a BIG NO never mention SHaman King! What's with Anna, who's like Rukia, and ends up with the hero despite the sweet girl in love with him?

XD
hinodeh: barragan laughs twicehinodeh on September 27th, 2010 04:27 pm (UTC)
Re: my take, part 1.
Lol, yeah, that manga disproves quite a few popular pro-Ichihime arguments by merely existing.
_debbiechan_: rukia peeking_debbiechan_ on September 27th, 2010 04:41 pm (UTC)
Re: my take, part 1.

Oh I love Shaman King... and the bossy Anna who's always giving the main guy hell meanwhile the shy Tamao is secretly in love with him... but

being in love with the protagonist in a fighting shounen is no guarantee that you're gonna end up with him. Ask Anna.
Adam Eppadam_epp on September 28th, 2010 02:15 am (UTC)
Re: my take, part 1.
In nearly all shounen, it's who the male protagonist loves that matters more than anything else.