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21 September 2010 @ 09:16 am
Aizen's descent from good to bad villain.  
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So, I got season 3 (Used) on DVD and marathoned the whole thing (Being sick for the last week has really screwed up my sleep schedule.) and I really thought about why Aizen is such an annoying villain. I think it breaks down into three major things, two are on his head, one is on the head of the SS and pretty much everyone else.. (And beforehand, I don't have any reference shots from the manga, sorry. So, I will try to break the wall of text up a bit.)

First off, from everything up to the latest chapters, Aizen is the ultimate Marty Stu. I mean, he's more powerful than any of the other reaper captains, except Yamamoto, and that's before he got his hands on the magic 8 ball of death. So, why not just take over? I mean, if his "perfect hypnosis" bit works on someone forever, why not just flash everyone in the SS, everyone in the Rukon districts, then travel to the WotL and flash everyone there, and finally flash all of HM? And repeat every few years to get the souls that were in transition to reincarnation until he had everyone? Then, he'd rule all of the worlds without a problem. Even if that way was impractical, he could have taken over the SS a long time ago without a problem. Also, he always has an answer for everything. I mean, sure, most major villains do that, but he even has answers for things that haven't happened yet. Things that are completely ruled by chaos, he somehow knows will happen exactly that way. In the beginning, being able to trick the higher-ups, along with his peers, made a kind of sense. Hell, if I were the villain, I'd act all nicey-nice with the people I was about to screw over. Even convert a few subordinates. But there's still a point where someone's going to start poking around.

Secondly, all of Aizen's "Experimenting" with different Hollows and the hogokyu really should have been noticed at some point. Unless, of course, he's smarter than Kisuke and everyone else in the various R&D branches that have appeared over time. Although, that ties back into the first point, we'll come back to that later. I mean, if one of my teammates wandered off on some "mission" and then a weird kind of Hollow appeared, I'd kind of be wondering what the hell happened. Even though his "perfect hypnosis" combined with someone wandering around covered in an illusion of him would kind of cover it, eventually that guy would make a mistake. I mean, no mimic is perfect. Plus, wouldn't the guy feel different? Maybe that's why certain folks were eliminated before the story starts. Still leaves several plot holes.

Third, I really have to hand the SS a slap on the head. I mean, this guy has been running a scam for several hundred years and nobody noticed? Nobody at all? I'm sure someone like Kisuke or Unahona should have seen something before the whole first arc. I mean, logic dictates that these folks figured things out. And yes, I know Aizen pushed his hand with the Vizored at least with Kisuke. But come on. Were the Central 46 and Yamamoto that stupid that they at least didn't try to investigate? How many criminals have been convicted despite having "several witnesses" place them somewhere else? Yes, a bit rare, but still happens enough. One would think that a group of super-powered Hollow killers would have some kind of investigative skills. And even at the end of the SS arc, everyone just stands there and buy's Aizen's story hook, line and sinker. I mean, come on. The man just revealed he spent his entire time lying his ass off to you, but he's going to tell the truth on this one, right? And why didn't they just chop off his head? When Yourichi and Soi Fon had him pinned, a quick snap would have made the HM arc go away. Aizen's head would have bounced down Sokokyu Hill, the party would have cheered, and that would be it. Tosen and Gin would be stripped and beaten to death with ravenous badgers, and we could have all gone home happy. Until the next bad guy comes in, using the resulting chaos from Aizen's plot to cause more havoc.

From there, Aizen has sunk into the worst of villain cliches. He's gained so many, "Screw you, I'm all powerful and ruling your mind," moments that he's really gone off the track of what could have been a cool bad guy. I mean, he could have easily been one of the coolest villains ever. Even if there was a counter found to the "perfect hypnosis" ability, it would still screw with you. But now, we've got some hydra-Hollow-butterfly form now. (I swear, he's transformed more times that Sixshot...) Honestly, if Aizen pulls out of the ass-beating Ichigo is giving him with some lame-ass crap about knowing it was coming, I am going to be really pissed. Or, if the magic 8 ball of death somehow sucks up the attack, forms the Royal Key, and Aizen becomes the next emperor....

...Unless, all of this is Aizen's simulation of how things will turn out, and we're still in the SS arc. Then, when he makes his attempt to snag the hogokyu again, he gets his ass stomped into the dirt by Ichigo. That would actually be a pretty cool twist. And it would be all right with me.
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Iselin: 13 gardeniselinka on September 21st, 2010 03:57 pm (UTC)
I think you've just pointed out everything that bothers me about Aizen. I must confess that I've never liked him as a villain. He seemed good at the beginning but then things started to get worse and worse. Probably because we were told and shown more. When the SS arc ended he seemed to have it perfectly planned but well,it seems that things didn't go as he planned.
I hate the fact that he talks too much and that he refuses to admit that something goes/went wrong. If he did maybe his failures wouldn't look as bad as they do.

Soul Society stupidity is so annoying. They are supposed to have everything under control since they take care of the f*cking world as far as we know. I can understand that we are all people but hundreds years of experience should do SOMETHING. I'm not sure what to think. Is it the way Kubo wanted it to be to give us a message or is it just a plothole?

I really hope that Kubo won't leave things the way they are now. I've found myself hoping for another 'bad guy' to be 'THE bad guy'...
Phoenix Hawk's Deep Corefmphoenixhawk on September 21st, 2010 11:56 pm (UTC)
Exactly. In the SS arc, it looked like Aizen had a plan, but started rolling with the changes when Rukia vanished. It really sounded like he took his plan and edited it on the fly. Which a smart villain would do. But since then, it's all been his plan from the start, and we're just tapdancing to his tune.

I wonder if Kubo just either A) didn't think about it or B) the Royal Guard is actively interfering in things because they want Aizen to become a second Royal Key. I would like some kind of explanation, but I do not foresee it coming.
Kim!: Mmm... Jump...spartydragon on September 21st, 2010 03:59 pm (UTC)
IAWTP. *nodnod*

We already know SS isn't the brightest lot, but this has been going on far too long for someone not to have put things together. Then again, it's possible that Aizen's been veeerrry careful about who he makes disappear, and what he glosses over. Most people don't realize a serial killer is living next door until the cops randomly bust in one day. *shrugs*

Kubo's got a lotta explainin' to do, either way.

I like the last bit where this is all still the SS arc and Aizen's actually having a field day with the illusions. It would be quite the tweeeest indeed!
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Kim!: Nose Ponies!!!!spartydragon on September 21st, 2010 06:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah, you'd think Mayuri'd be alllll over the CSI type stuff. Then again, he's mostly interested in his own stuff so he might actually have all of the pieces lying around the lab but simply never bothered to put them together.
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Kim!: Mmm... Jump...spartydragon on September 21st, 2010 06:59 pm (UTC)
Yup. Unless Aizen's main form of control was to keep them curiously uninterested.

That'd be pretty brilliant, now that I think about it. Put everyone under a very mild illusion that mostly makes them susceptible to deception and misdirection. Like, the ultimate Jedi Mind Trick. "You don't need to take that reiatsu sample..." or "Oh, I was here the whole time. I even make cookies, would you like some? Gin, get the lemonade out of the fridge, please. Oh hello Captain Tousen! Would you like a cookie? Now, what's this about unusual hollows...?"
Phoenix Hawk's Deep Corefmphoenixhawk on September 21st, 2010 11:58 pm (UTC)
Now, see, if Aizen's power had been explained like that, then it would have been far more believable how things turned out. He doesn't completely control your senses, he just makes you more susceptible to his misdirections.
incandescensincandescens on September 21st, 2010 04:30 pm (UTC)
I have hopes that when Aizen goes down, the Hougyoukou will burst out of his chest in its true form, having incubated successfully in the perfect host (strong, useful, kept on drawing power from it without asking about the price) . . .

. . . and Aizen will look up from the ground and finally realise that he was the one being played all along.
queen_marshedqueen_marshed on September 21st, 2010 05:39 pm (UTC)
After reading the last bit I got images of Aizen sitting veeerrrry far away in a control room dictating the whole thing and going like "Tee hee heee now I'll become a BUTTERFLY! Let's see if they'll fall for THAT! >:D"
eris4: YuukoFumoRosaeris4 on September 21st, 2010 11:16 pm (UTC)
How many criminals have been convicted despite having "several witnesses" place them somewhere else?
You have a point. I hope everything will make sense in the end and there will be a purpose for things like this to happen. If not... Well, I'll be very disappointed. Though, it's true Aizen is a poor villain. I used to hope Aizen would have a backstory, enough to make things complex. Sadl, this doesn''t seem the case...

...Unless, all of this is Aizen's simulation of how things will turn out, and we're still in the SS arc.
No. Just no. HM arc has lasted twenty volumes, and the readers had to endure every kind of cruelty, pain and loss. So, I'd prefer to restart from the lowest, rather than have everyone happy again. Life is not perfect and the SS arc was too much "unstained".
_debbiechan_: Aizen ILLUSION_debbiechan_ on September 22nd, 2010 01:21 am (UTC)

I'm feeling FUNNY about Aizen. Although I had a sad feeling about Ichigo a couple weeks ago and those feelings were proven to be on target (he was making a sacrifice etc etc), these are a little different feelings--I'm feeling disappointed and wondering where Kubo is taking Aizen--it's not that I have doubts with the character, I have doubts with the author in this case and that's rare for me because I'm usually SUCH a big Kubo Tite fangirl. Unless Aizen slips out of this and gets away with some shiny new plot kai (and yes, I do love his plot kai--his invicibility is one of his major charms), his sudden descent to tantruming bowling ball head is just ugh. His drunkeness with power was obvious as soon as he ate the hougyoku but...

there's been too quick a descent and the butterfly spandex kinda killed the mood for me, I have to say. I wasn't really feel awe until he ripped off Gin's arm and then I felt the ugh, you nasty you you bad guy Aizen you.

Guildenstern just showed me a spoiler at 4chan where Aizen's ban kai is revealed and it turns back time. Aizen does need a reboot in a bad way so this would be welcome development but I seriously doubt it's a real spoiler. I'm just waiting for what this week shows--I expect Ichigo's Final GT to fail. I just don't know if whatever happens with Aizen, win or lose, die or live, is going to be fail by me or not. Aizen was a spectacular villain in SS and a pretty awesome one for most of HM... his recent changes were a little hard to take.
mochalatt3: Bleach // Shirosakimochalatt3 on September 22nd, 2010 07:23 am (UTC)
I've always liked Aizen, but not because he's a good character, "good" meaning well rounded/developed. I just felt so bad when he died that I was ecstatic when it turned out that he was really alive, and a villain no less. Putting aside my feelings, I have to agree with everything you said. As an Aizen fan, even I'm getting tired of all his power ups, and God modding.
vraieesprit: juushunvraieesprit on September 22nd, 2010 02:45 pm (UTC)
Agree with your post completely. Aizen is exactly what you say he is >< and it's such a shame. For a brief moment, there was that flash when it looked like Gin had the better of him - and then descent into bleh again. I've given up reading the manga of late, actually - it's turned into something involving a superpowered butterfly with inappropriate interest in eating/poking parts of ichigo's body...

I do think Shunsui suspected Aizen in the pendulum and I've always thought that. Also, that there was a reason for his suspicion that may have gone back before the hollow incident. It's possible he also still holds some suspicion since he rebels against Rukia's execution - but that might have just been a favour to Ukitake. Either way, probably seeing Aizen within the barracks the night of the disturbance kept him quiet about it - since it seemed impossible.
◦ a girl like me ◦: Bleach - Aizen by hiru_no_tsukiafteriwake on September 23rd, 2010 04:29 am (UTC)
You have made some excellent points tht I hve brought up mong friends who re fans. Thanks for letting me know I'm not alone in thinking Aizen devolved into a Mrty Stu!