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21 August 2010 @ 09:34 am
Early Funeral for Gin?  

I don't know about you guys but I've been verklempt all week. I thought Ulquiorra's death did me in, but I loved Gin even before Ulquiorra appeared in the manga and even though I knew the day was coming when he and Ran would have their angsty moment--argh! (Also I shipped AiGin--trust me, in my head canon, it made sense to ship both AiGin and GinRan--so double ouch!) I remember when Ulquiorra passed, capslock_bleach   held a gorgeous funeral. Is it too early to have one for Gin? Neha wrote a requiem that made me bawl here and you're welcome to add your own to this post, but hey, why not a poll first?

Poll #1608599 Gin is ....

Gin is ... (check as many as your heart desires)

gone. Alas, we hardly knew ye, silver fox.
going to have some last LAST words next chapter a la Tousen (remeber we thought Tousen was down for the count but he needed to explode--maybe Gin needs to dissolve to be gone for sure)
going to have one last confrontation with Kira
going to be revived by Orihime to be prosecuted by Soul Society for his crimes--cue fascinating side story and happy fans!
will surprise everyone in HELL in Movie 4!

Also, I thought there would be a slew of GinRan arts on DA these days but haven't found too many. Maybe everyone is still in shock. Here are a couple gorgeous ones. The prettiest ever by Kara-lija:http://kara-lija.deviantart.com/art/Leave-Me-With-My-Sins-176057819 and this one by Pan-Pan made me wibble-wibble: http://pan-pan.deviantart.com/#/d2wt0ki I'm sort of dreading any further GinRan images from Kubo-sensei himself next week but I imagine we'll get a lot of talky-talk from Aizenfly before the Ichigo battle and maybe be spared any more heart-wrenching art. But knowing how sadistic Sensei is... waaah.
Current Mood: discontentmourning
shinebunny: confettishinebunny on August 21st, 2010 02:39 pm (UTC)
I just want to say that I love option 4, although I voted for 2. More SS politics plotlines? Yes, pls. That really would be a fascinating side story, and if it happened we might be able to see more of Gin's character behind the Pure!Evil!Mask - I just don't know that Kubo would take that route.

Kara-lija's fanart is gorgeous! I double-rec ANYTHING by her.
hinodeh: gazille has his thinking cap onhinodeh on August 21st, 2010 02:49 pm (UTC)
I get the feeling that there might a bit more than we got.

I agree with shinebunny that option four is interesting, but as things stand, I wouldn't bank on it. We might get that sort of storyline for GJ, though. He's got nowhere to go. It's hard to imagine that SS will take him in unless he is purified, and I don't see him rejoining Aizen.
 Lady Camille Catherine Cecily Lloyd-George X: Ginskilly_n_duff on August 21st, 2010 02:52 pm (UTC)
I just want him back. *cries* Also, was discussing the chapter with someone who didn't read Bleach. I tried to explain to them just how heartbreaking his death scene was, tried to convey the buckets of angst. They pointed out that,
"Well, if the villain just stood back up, then he clearly sacrificed his life for no reason, right? If it was just for this girl, doesn't that make it kind of selfish?"

Then I had an epiphany. Gin died saving the KK town kids. If he hadn't picked this moment to turn, Aizen would have strung their bodies up outside the town for Ichigo to find when he came. If Gin hadn't blown 110 years of double-agent work we would have lost, Tatsuki, Keigo, Mizuro...

Gin just died a hero. And it made me feel like I'd lost him all over again.
hinodeh: darkity darkhinodeh on August 21st, 2010 02:56 pm (UTC)
Kinda similar to how Ulq died. We can discuss endlessly if that's what he wanted to do, but want or not, he did save Ishida from Ichithings cero.
I wonder if this was an intentional parallel... ?
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[Senpai]: {B} And hope the devil I don't meet ||xelijahbabe07x on August 21st, 2010 02:56 pm (UTC)
I was totally an AiGin shipper hardcore as well. And of course, a MAJOR GinRAn shipper, so darn it...my heart hurts. I love Gin period so to see this/know what is coming/could already have arrived kills me. I loved these options, btw. ;)
manonlechat: Gin and Rangiku: this is our last goodbymanonlechat on August 21st, 2010 03:18 pm (UTC)
Your icon...

I has a sad. :(
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bloodandpepper: chappy-ulquibloodandpepper on August 21st, 2010 03:12 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I hope for a confrontation with Kira - though I've to admit that I've got my rare het-shipping moments when it comes to GinRan and that's why I enjoy the last chapter so much. I think Kubo-sama wont let this great character go to waste easily.
manonlechat: gin: i must go this way~manonlechat on August 21st, 2010 03:13 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad you did this poll. I've been mourning a fictional character all week. :( I mean, I've written his death enough times in fanfic, so you'd think I'd be prepared--but somehow knowing that Gin actually had twisted up good intentions all along makes it worse. And his death was violent and brutal.

This is worse than Ulquiorra. Much worse! Oh, Gin! :(

I think he is most likely dead... Kubo killed Tousen. Those words on a black page with Rangiku's shocked silent face below looked final; the recent color pic of Gin in a white kimono with a poem referencing parting and the afterlife seems the most ominous. But if Gin does have a chance at living---I don't know--there are a few things still bothering me:

1. Kira is not there. I think Kira and Gin need some kind of closure. We know Kira can heal. From a dramatic standpoint, after giving Gin one "death moment" I think it would be ridiculous to revive him for yet another "death moment". I think if he gets revived it means he's going to pull through.

2. Gin's moral status is in a weird sort of limbo--he didn't hurt Matsumoto, he saved the KK kids by single-handedly attempting to take on Aizen, and interestingly--he offered Ichigo a chance to run. Good guys don't die in Bleach. The latter action especially makes me wonder if Gin and Ichigo will get some kind of closure, will the hero Ichigo have a future opportunity to return the favor to Gin? Most everyone seems to agree that Gin couldn't go back to Soul Society, but there's a long history of Bleach characters going into Exile. Perhaps even with a parting panel of his back as he disappears into the unknown and Mats murmuring another bittersweet "that's what I hate about you..."?

But... I'm a fangirl mourning her favorite character, and I may be refusing to acknowledge the obvious. I don't want to nurse false hope, so for now I am going on the belief he's dead.

I imagine we'll get a lot of talky-talk from Aizenfly before the Ichigo battle and maybe be spared any more heart-wrenching art.

Agreed. I think there will also be a flashback storyline that reveals what Ichigo did to earn this latest technique.

*back to mourning Gin* :(

hinodeh: Hiryuu is scepticalhinodeh on August 21st, 2010 03:18 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm not disputing Gin's good intentions, but he's not a complete good guy to me, either. Rukia and Hyori anyone? It's not like what he did to them even aided his goal, especially with Rukia.
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Kylarakarenai on August 21st, 2010 03:28 pm (UTC)
I doubt Kira will get closure. The nature of his and Gin's relationship was characterized by the imbalance; it seems quite fitting that he would be left chasing after even at Gin's end. That said, he would eventually have some kind of catharsis, but why does it have to happen with Gin alive and reciprocating to Kira? If Gin cared equally about them, or even substantially more about Kira than he does, then perhaps.

Also, because Kira hates dried persimmons. People who don't love dried persimmons can't have a big moment with Gin.

I do think Gin is dead. Aizen wanted to stand in heaven and alone; that's been clear for a long time, and Tousen is already dead; no matter how much more fandom loved Gin, I don't think it's reason enough to eliminate the symmetry of Aizen killing his major two shinigami allies. That said, I'm not happy about it and I wish it were otherwise, but wishes mean little in regards to reality.
_debbiechan_: Gin hearts Aizen by papermoon icons_debbiechan_ on August 21st, 2010 03:45 pm (UTC)

Aizen wanted to stand alone. He also said he never thought of anyone but Gin as his vice. He last thank you to Gin--I dunno, I heard affection there if not a sort of admiration. The way Aizen killed Gin was brutal and punishing and Aizen was angry--the angriest I'd ever seen him but his final goodbye--it was that acknowledgement that from now on, Aizen would truly be alone. It was a scary farewell. It made me feel more than anything else that Gin was truly done for.

It was fascinating to watch the perfect Mr. and Mrs Evil of HM relationship dissolve in recent chapters. It was like a marriage that had a ticking time bomb built into it from the beginning. Doomed from the start like GinRan. Really sad. And still so much we don't really know.

I NEED FANON STORIES!! How much did Gin come to just enjoy hanging around Aizen as much as he planned to overtake him? And Aizen's suspicions of Gin? I'm imagining a sexy mutual love-hate thing like the antagonists in Death Note. I really need new fics.... <3
manonlechat: dragons are big kittiesmanonlechat on August 21st, 2010 03:39 pm (UTC)
P.S. -- If Kubo makes Gin explode, then me and Bleach are through. Or, at the very least, breaking up for a long, long time. :P
_debbiechan_: GIN_debbiechan_ on August 21st, 2010 03:48 pm (UTC)

No, Kubo doesn't repeat himself--I'm sure there will be no explosion. And a dissolving--since Ulquiorra did it... hmmm. I honestly don't know what's going to happen besides Gin lying there looking dead. T___T But Kaien said that when Shinigami go, it's the end of the cycle of reincarnation--they're turned into reishi that make up soul society. At least that's what I understood. Being killed by Aizen there was no purification involved....

ah, too many questions....

n a o k o || want your rad bromance: Haru- Would love to top you desu.nendo_chan on August 21st, 2010 03:41 pm (UTC)
If anyone uses Pixiv (essentially the Japanese dA), they'll not that the Bleach tag might as well be "GinRan" ATM. xD
Capellaakai_gekkou on August 21st, 2010 04:13 pm (UTC)
And that's the way it should be, obviously. ;)
Capellaakai_gekkou on August 21st, 2010 04:10 pm (UTC)
Because I'm feeling superstitious today I'm not voting on the poll lest my stupid answers have any influence on the next chapter. /paranoid

The last few days were a series of emotional roller-coaster trips for me.
Spent two days either crying my eyes out or just being generally depressed before thoughts à la "oh, maybe he isn't really dead - there are some questions and possibilities left for which he might survive" cheered me up again.

Of course that hope starts shaking every time I a) re-read the chapter (I must be masochistic), or I b) read/think about all the signs that point to a bad end (i.e. the color pic, the flashback, white words on black, etc.).

Still, what keeps me hoping are a reunion with Kira (which might either mean 'yay, heal! :D' or 'last LAST words D:'), the fact that we haven't seen his (whole) face after he supposedly died (it might just be me, but I find that a bit strange. Doesn't evoke that sense of finality that is missing, I feel), and that he hasn't exploded or otherwise dissolved (yet. -_- Like others said, if Old Man Yama, Momo, and Hiyori survive, but Gin doesn't, I will be really, really pissed >_> ).

That said, I think, waiting for absolute confirmation is worse than if we'd had "just gotten over with it" last chapter.
Hoping is painful.
And while I think that he really will be dead if we don't get confirmation of the opposite in the next chapter (or the one after that, max.), my fangirl heart certainly hopes otherwise, would applaud a Soul Society side-plot, and will be stomping the ground in desperate denial.
darkslover: AxS Blooddarkslover on August 21st, 2010 04:29 pm (UTC)
I always doubt my hypothesis about the future of a work, no matter how obvious the future it might seem. I am mostly afraid whether my wishful thinking takes over and I become a brainless tart/shipper. Do not want that. One of the things I am uncertain is Ulquiorra. He could be dead and gone from the story, he could not. Still, maybe I'm spoiled by the Bleach principle of not dying and I am in denial.

Same with Gin. The point is, I liked Ulquiorra. I was a fan. Still am. Gin? Not that much, even though the latest chapters did paint him as a more complex character in my eyes and I appreciate that. I had the feeling of closure with Barragan, Tousen, Nnoitra (sp?) and Stark. I didn't with Ulquiorra and now with Gin. I don't know whether this uncertainty of mine counts for anything, maybe it is just me, but it would be nice to have closure for their story. Gin and Rangiku's.

All the above being said, I voted the second option.
manonlechat: aizen: will make himself a godmanonlechat on August 21st, 2010 05:57 pm (UTC)
Okay, don't know what to make of this...

But the Sleepyfans translation is out, and they translate Gin's final words very differently. Oppositely, in fact. o_O


Anybody know which is more correct? Is Gin glad he apologized or does he wish he had apologized? (If the latter, I somehow feel there's more of a chance of him surviving?)
_debbiechan_: GIN_debbiechan_ on August 21st, 2010 06:06 pm (UTC)

I don't know which one is correct honestly, but the mangastream translation refers to the apology Gin gave to Matsumoto at the end of SS (see icon) and that sounds so Kubo-esque to bring up a phrase from long ago and give it an added depth so I'm just going to guess that the mangastream translation is the right one.
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pogopogo2468 on August 21st, 2010 08:52 pm (UTC)
Like Ulquiorra, I don't see Gin coming back. I actually have more hope for Ulquiorra. I'm still pessimistic about Ulquiorra, but Gin? That death was so powerful. This is one of the few chapters in Bleach that I read over and over and over after reading and then thought about all week. He's not my favorite character, but one I liked. And after we found out his true motivations. After we saw this young boy travel on a path of murder and revenge to do something he thought was the right thing, my heart broke. Man, his death really hit me hard T_T

At first, I thought Kira would get some closure with Gin. Maybe some form of remorse from him or an apology. Especially since Hisagi got his and Momo is getting hers (if she had any doubts toward Aizen and whether he's a bastard, the point where she is stabbed by Hitsugaya should erase that). But the more I thought about it, Gin's number one is Matsumoto. While he was closer to Kira than others, Kira was still part of the plan. Gin manipulated him in order to fulfill his plan. I don't think Gin was completely happy about it, since we see in FKKT that he's happy that Kira's doing well. But I think Kira will have to get over this on his own. And I don't see Gin explaining himself to Kira, since he didn't even explain himself to Matsumoto [although I'm hoping that I'm speaking too soon here >_<].

Ever since Gin betrayed Aizen, I imagined seeing Kira crawl up to a dead Gin and/or broken Matsumoto. I can't predict what happens after. If Kira learns that Gin died a hero, maybe he'll be more understanding of what Gin did to him. Maybe he'll understand that him being manipulated had to be done in order to fulfill his facade. Maybe Kira will see Gin and that will be the closure he needs. To move on. Or maybe Kira will curse himself for not getting there sooner, so he could help.

I honestly thought I would be really upset if Kira didn't have his confrontation with Gin. I think the main reason I wanted that was to see how Kira, himself, would act if the man he was loyal to and who was his captain is now standing opposite of him on the battlefield. Would Kira stand strong against him? Or would he crumble? But, then, the betrayal happened. And all those flashbacks happened. And that changed things for me. What happened with Kira wasn't something Gin necessarily wanted, but it had to happen.

I just can't wait to see what happens with Kira next. I saw FKKT as a chance for the three betrayed VC's to move on. I doubt Kubo-sensei forgot about the Gin/Kira captain/vc relationship and he HAS been building up to some sort of confrontation [whether it was an actual confrontation or Kira confronting that relationship himself]. I just hope Kira does move on from all this. And I foresee more KiraMats bonding in the future with them mourning Gin's death and attempting to move on from it.
_debbiechan_: Matsumoto_debbiechan_ on August 21st, 2010 09:54 pm (UTC)

And I foresee more KiraMats bonding in the future with them mourning Gin's death and attempting to move on from it.

Methinks it won't be over sake this time. I anticipate a serious scene. :(
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nagasasunagasasu on August 21st, 2010 09:27 pm (UTC)
I... don't know what to pick in the poll! I went with Orihime, but yeah, I was convinced Orihime would try to save Ulquiorra too so... But really, at this point, I can't even tell if characters are All Dead or just Mostly Dead.
self-proclaimed cookie monsterxxboo_radleyxx on August 22nd, 2010 12:27 am (UTC)
Finally did the poll.
I'm hoping Gin will have some epic final words, not that the ones from Deicide 18 weren't.
Please Orihime, revive him...*still hoping she'll save Ulquiorra*
pirottesse on August 22nd, 2010 11:02 am (UTC)
*I'm hoping Gin will have some epic final words, not that the ones from Deicide 18 weren't*

I agree. Maybe Gin will reveal to Rangiku the Aizen`s zanpakutoh secret in a last effort. Looks like Gin is the only one person who knows that secret.