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23 June 2010 @ 05:27 pm
Bleach 409  
Bleach 409 "Deicide 11" is out on MangaStream~

Color spread is pretty. They're all matching! <333 Love nakama spreads. Too bad Ichigo is so small, and Orihime is pretty tiny, and Chad and Ishida are MERE BLIPS IN THE DISTANCE. Alas.

escarboucle pointed out the text on the color spread may be related to Ichigo's Souls poem ("the sun that locks the heavens").

My impression of the bonus color page is:
WSJ: "Kubo, Naruto's not on this week. So, you get to make another color page!"
Kubo: "... ... okay." *unexcited*
Kubo draws.
Kubo: "Here's new Aizen... colored."
WSJ: "... ... ... Kubo T_T"

It looks like Ichigo's ENTIRE INNER WORLD is underwater. It covers the tops of the buildings. The first time Ichigo went into his inner world, way back in the day (before he learned Zangetsu's name), he had to fall pretty far down before he hit any water. And now it's covering all the buildings? That's a FREAKISH AMOUNT OF RAIN, Ichigo-tannnnn D: It must've been pouring or at least raining constantly for a long period of time. From the beginning of Hueco Mundo, I wonder? Or was it the events leading up to, and including, the Lust Arc that resulted in a torrential downpour that flooded everything? In any case, it's obvious Ichigo's mental state is and has been messed up, as many of us have been saying for a while. We saw it in the Lust arc, we saw it when Ichigo was fighting Aizen and Gin in FKT, and we have further confirmation now that we're in Ichigo's inner world.

Weird shot of Ichigo in the water looks like Toushirou, wtf. Followed by cute faces of him underwater. <3

Bishie/shota/no longer "Old Man" Tensa Zangetsu. <3333333333 a.k.a. Ulquiorra/Byakuya/IchiRuki love child/whatever.

Isshin cryptically says that his own zanpakuto, Engetsu (炎月) ("Blazing Moon") ETA: See correction below, was similar to how Zangetsu is acting now - because the zanpakutou don't want to teach their users moves (possibly he means just the final moves?) for whatever reason - TO BE REVEALED LATER.

Tensa Zangetsu says he doesn't care about what Ichigo wants to protect, as what the two of them want to protect are completely different things. Cryptic as well. I look forward to learning more about this in future chapters. Really want to know what this is about.

Aizen apparently can just cause people to fall down dead by walking near them? I guess he's saying people with low reiatsu can't handle his power (since obviously, Gin, Ichigo, Isshin, Yoruichi, etc. are all alive after being near him), regardless of those people's ability to see him. (Though I wonder if that businessman had the ability to perceive spirits and his power level was just so low that he died, or if being in Soul Society gave him the ability to see Aizen.)

Oh noes, Tatsuki-tachi! D:

Correction on Isshin's Zanpakutou Name
Anonymous poster pointed out that Isshin's zanpakutou name, "Engetsu," is actually written as 剡月 in the raws. (It's still pronounced the same, but the kanji is different for "en.") The name means "Sharp-pointed Moon", which actually fits a lot better with Ichigo's "Zangetsu" ("Cutting Moon"). Thanks, anonymous! :D
mezzo_marinaiomezzo_marinaio on June 23rd, 2010 09:43 pm (UTC)

...lol, and to add to the list of look-alikes, Tensa Zangetsu looks like Urahara here. XD
Running on Coffee and Schadenfreudearcadiasilver on June 23rd, 2010 09:44 pm (UTC)
Three minutes ahead of me! /shakefist!

But that being said.

What Ichigo wants to protect is not what Tensa Zangetsu wants to protect? Is this a case of the zanpakutou being independent enough to have desires separate of the shinigami or the part of his soul that Zangetsu was forged from is at conflict with the rest of him.
mezzo_marinaiomezzo_marinaio on June 23rd, 2010 09:56 pm (UTC)

Might this matter possibly be linked to what Isshin said about zanpakutou not wanting to teach 'these moves' to their users...?

It sounded kind of ominous to me.

I don't know, maybe this ultimate move is actually dangerous for Ichigo... prompting Zangetsu to protect himself instead of what Ichigo wants to protect? Though that didn't exactly seem to be Zangetsu's attitude in SS... mmmmh.
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jenny_jadejenny_jade on June 23rd, 2010 09:53 pm (UTC)
Man in black hood <3

"I'm not Zangetsu. I'm Tensa Zangetsu."

So is he the younger version of Old Man Zangetsu? Or is that Old Man his father? So confusing, Kubo. How many personalities you gonna add into Ichigo? XD
tamzin: ichigoconquistadora on June 23rd, 2010 10:36 pm (UTC)
Pretty sure this is an evolved version of Zangetsu. Whether he can turn back into Zangetsu ossan anymore is debatable. However, this might be where the Zanpakutou arc of the anime comes in handy--all of them were designed by Kubo after all. When all of the spirits were freed from their respective masters, they all took on human form which was considered their bankai form. Their more animalistic forms like Renji's baboon-with-snake-for-tail Zabimaru would probably be considered the shikai form of the spirit, whereas when Renji is in bankai, Zabimaru appears in her and his human form (since Zabiumaru is dual sex).

For Ichigo, both forms of Zangetsu are apparently human, which probably adds to his specialness.
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karkashan: Pledge to my Homieskarkashan on June 23rd, 2010 10:01 pm (UTC)
So...each aspect of Ichigo's soul has a seperate personality? Or to be more accurate, Zangetsu changes who he is depending on what kind of power it is?

Shikai - Old man
Bankai - Byakuya's second cousin/possible look of an Ichiruki offspring
Mask - Ichigo's evul twin.

Does he have different modes for mundane tasks as well? Like one for when Ichigo sleeps, one for when he eats, cooks, cleans, punches Keigo, protect his virginity, beats the crap outta punks?
SUPERMULLET™: Ichigo: WOOT WOOTthanatoast on June 23rd, 2010 11:16 pm (UTC)
the "protecting his virginity" one can be a spiky chastity belt BD
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(Anonymous) on June 23rd, 2010 10:02 pm (UTC)
Color spread is pretty. They're all matching! <333 Love nakama spreads. Too bad Ichigo is so small, and Orihime is pretty tiny, and Chad and Ishida are MERE BLIPS IN THE DISTANCE. Alas.

I don't see the nakama in this picture. If anything, I see Rukia and Renji (obviously), Ikkaku, Rangiku, and maybe Zaraki (the tiny blip on the left look like it has spiky hair) and maybe Byakuya on the right. I think this is a shinigami spread rather than nakama.
_debbiechan_: HERO ISHIDA!_debbiechan_ on June 23rd, 2010 10:07 pm (UTC)

Nah, that's obviously Ishida way back there--his stance, some sort of cape billowing and he's even holding a weapon that looks like a bow. The other blip is Chad. Who you think is Mats is a voluptuous Orihime--Kubo-sensei draws Matsumoto's hair lighter than Orihime's. It's definitely a nakama spread.
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kohi_no_torakohi_no_tora on June 23rd, 2010 10:02 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the translation of Engetsu. More or less my first thoughts upon reading that was "If Zangetsu is 'Moon Cutter' what does Engetsu translate to?'

Zangetsu-kun was surprisingly bishounen

Run Tatsuki!
_debbiechan_: Isshin warm and cozy_debbiechan_ on June 23rd, 2010 10:02 pm (UTC)

*stunned by color spread*

thank you qwirky for being our gal on the ball with mangastream.
as usual, I blew my was speculating on this chapter when the spoilers came out but damn, I was waiting for that HQ of the spread and...

HOT DIGGITY. THAT MASSIVE TWO-HEADED EAGLE. WELL, HELLO, KUBO-SENSEI'S TWITTER ICON COME TO EPIC PROPORTIONS! Nakama theme and the heraldry theme (eagles and purple) and the union of spirit and matter... yeah, yeah... going, going, up up up with this one. My only regret is that while everyone looks awesome in their purple and feather gear (I saw the feathers on the fall high fashion runway and wondered if Sensei was going to have Yumichika featured in one of his major spreads, hee), we CAN'T SEE ISHIDA'S GET-UP! *SOBS* Ah, but last time, when Ishida got smaller and smaller on spreads, it only foreshadowed his epic appearance in the manga...

I can dream.

Onto TZ. At first I saw Ulquiorra. Then I died laughing when balladbird saw the protagonist of Incarnate then like a lot of people I saw an IchiRuki lovechild or a fusion-ha of Ulqui and Byakuya. Whoever--he's SO DAMN ADORABLE.

And yes yes yes yes, more more more more! Talk to us, little bishie in that waterful world (kudos again to my creepy escarboucle for CALLING ICHIGO'S INNER WORLD BEING COVERED IN WATER. This looks so promising. What does Ichigo have to admit, do, renounce, claim, or forgo in order to attain a new power? He's submerged again in the water that is presumably from the rain that fell when he was unable to protect (first his mother and then... well, lots of stuff has happened since then... I wonder if we'll hear about a certain little nakama-gutting?)

Aizen looks hawt as usual, just walking around causing people to die by being himself, and Tatsuki... just the fact that she's really HERE after so long is in and of itself so stunning that I haven't processed the fact yet.


I live for Sensei's spreads. Oh big bad two headed bird! I love you! <3
mezzo_marinaiomezzo_marinaio on June 23rd, 2010 10:11 pm (UTC)

Can I just add that I love this spread's poem too? :3
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shuryoushuryou on June 23rd, 2010 10:04 pm (UTC)
"That's a FREAKISH AMOUNT OF RAIN, Ichigo-tannnnn D: It must've been pouring or at least raining constantly for a long period of time."

I am now reminded INSTANTLY about Zangetsu saying he hates how it rains during the fight against Kenpachi. No wonder.
shinebunny: bleachshinebunny on June 23rd, 2010 10:12 pm (UTC)
I'm wondering where this new personality fits into Ichigo's psyche. He's taciturn like the Zangetsu we know, but he's not giving the same supportive vibe (with the whole 'yeah, don't care' thing), although he's still more Zangetsu than Shirosaki.

The thing with the water would never have clicked. xD I'm glad you pointed that out.
Aleamisaaleamisa on June 23rd, 2010 10:29 pm (UTC)
omg I love the color page! Rukia is beautiful and the eagle is awesome!
By the way...http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-422-page-16.html the panel with Tensa Zangetsu's eyes resemble Rukia's eyes.
The way its going is getting quite interesting.
pogopogo2468 on June 23rd, 2010 10:44 pm (UTC)
LOVE LOVE LOVE THE SPREAD! I want Rukia's shoes *cries* I love the nakama surrounding Ichigo. Like Syn said above, they are Ichigo's wings here.

T_T ICHIGOOOO. His inner world is FLOODED? I thought it would be raining or stormy or something along those lines, but flooded? Oh, poor boy. The Lust chapters really hit him. While it hurts to see this, I am looking forward to see what this will do to Ichigo, character development wise. Now that he has time, I want to see him think about what happened when his urge to protect drove him so far that he lost control of his hollow and nearly killed his friend. Oh, this is so exciting!!

Tensa and Ichigo want to protect different things?? Oh, interesting. I'm thinking Tensa might be talking about Ichigo, here. I mean, he knows what has been happening to Ichigo since the Lust chapters. He knows the pain he is going through. And now Ichigo is rushing off to ANOTHER fight? Yup, me teenks T.Zangetsu doesn't want any more rain in Ichigo's inner world and Ichigo going to KT will do that.

incidents and accidents, hints and allegations: Bleach - Ichigo haz swordmaeveth on June 23rd, 2010 10:50 pm (UTC)
Re: color spread --

a) Nice ass, Renji.


I wonder if the further Ichigo goes in developing his powers the more Zangetsu shifts to something he has no choice but to accept as 'close' to him. Even in shikai there was a certain distance between himself and the old man; maybe the visual age gap, I dunno, but to me Zangetsu always had the distinct air of 'teacher/superior'. Bishiegetsu has an air of 'complete equal' that's very different, and when you're facing someone you view as an equal in all ways (skill, age, everything) you look at them very differently than someone you unconsciously consider 'superior'.

I'm of the opinion that when Bishiegetsu says what he wants to protect and what Ichigo wants to protect are different, he's referring to wanting to protect Ichigo where Ichigo would happily throw his safety to the winds if it meant protecting Karakura and his friends. Bishiegetsu will not LET him sacrifice himself, and he'll fight like all hell to keep him from doing it.
ce_lestic on June 23rd, 2010 11:00 pm (UTC)
I've been trying to look at T.Zangetsu from all angles but he still resembles Rukia the most. Its the "freeze-ey" eyes, I think. And Holy Lord, Sensei really likes to emphasize on Zangetsu and Ichigo's dislike of rain, so much that he drew them drowning..literally. It reminds of the "eyes of the victor" page.

P.S I really want Rukia's shoes. They're fantastic. She looks fantastic. The spread's utterly gorgeous xD

EDIT: Rukia's shoes are a fashion statement from, like NAW.

Edited at 2010-06-23 11:01 pm (UTC)
Kylarakarenai on June 23rd, 2010 11:12 pm (UTC)
Rukia's shoes look fabulous on her. And they look expensive -- does the Kuchiki house just stock fashionable heels somewhere for both Kuchiki siblings Rukia?

Well, they're the same pattern as Ichigo's and Renji's pants~
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Kylara: Byakuya in the windkarenai on June 23rd, 2010 11:23 pm (UTC)

1) Is Ichigo wearing rubber rain boots? Ichi honey, when the water is above the skyscrapers, galoshes don't make a difference.

1b) Is that rubber rain boots with FUR TRIM? (Oh qwirky, thanks for pointing that out.) X_x Looks good on Rukia's heels and Renji's collar, but really, Ichigo? Do we have to talk about the black gloves again and acceptable taste?

2) said designer sure loves purple

3) Ishida made capes for him and Chad, but the other nakama Don't Get Any nooope.

Of all the nakama, Orihime appears to be on the least stable part of her cliff - she is on the precipice, her dress fluttering off the edge. Rukia's is narrow but solid all the way through; Ichigo's is huge (hem), and we can't see Renji's. Chad's and Ishida's are relatively stable.

As for the bastard love child of IchiRuki mixed with Byakuya, it was exciting to see him. Can't wait to see what he says next week!

.. as for all the water in Ichigo's world...

... well, Orihime, that's what happens when you say you want to be the rain.
qwirky on June 23rd, 2010 11:50 pm (UTC)
Sometimes I wonder about Ichigo. It's a good thing he looks so hot on his own because... well, he must dress in the dark on occasion. It's terrible when Renji's fashion sense is better than his own! D: D: D:

Ooh, interesting point about the placement of the nakama on their little cliffs. *_*

... well, Orihime, that's what happens when you say you want to be the rain.
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peca_06peca_06 on June 23rd, 2010 11:27 pm (UTC)
Wow, looking at the HQ spread gives you a sense for the size of that ominous powerful bird that towers over and shades very dark, Ichigo and his pillar. They all look very isolated. It also makes me think of the South of Utah (like Moab Arches National Park or Canyonlands) a very arid and hostile environment. But I am happy to see a connection made by all of them having matching color and similar attire. It reminds me of another spread Kubo did of them (Yoruichi, Ichigo standing,...) in the dessert that is in the book "All colors but the black"... But I can't find it.

Damn Aizen! he just makes people drop dead by strutting around town, like some sort of gigolo with a cheap strong cologne and he is proud of himself XD. I'm really scared for Tatsuky and Keigo D: . But she'll put up a fight!

I am really curious as to what is going to make Ichigo achieve this new move (like when obtained the Bankai). He needs to realize something and he is just being a dense dork as always XDD. But I love his comical expressions under water. I'm loving Tensa Zangetsu's look. He seems like a stealthier, angrier, younger Ossan. However I miss the all wise Zangetsu, that was like a father figure to Ichigo. I guess the raining on top of him for all this time must've made him really pissy XDDD I don't blame him. I think it might've started to sprinkle a bit when he came back from the SS and the Arrancaru attacked and it culminated on the "Lust arc" with some sort of Flash Flood??

It is really interesting that Isshin has gone thru something alike. Was it because he was also down and emo? or just cause he needed to get to the next level...?
secila80secila80 on June 24th, 2010 04:50 am (UTC)
Ditto on lennan's comment. I about exploded in laughter. XD
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