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24 February 2010 @ 11:43 pm
Gene Simmons' Son Plagiarizing Bleach?  
Is Bleach being copied and passed off as an original American comic called Incarnate by Nick Simmons, son of Gene Simmons?

note to non-Bleach readers: all the pictures are labeled, but generally, BLEACH is in black-and-white while INCARNATE is in color.

Side by side from cuddl.

Original pages.

Overlay by aizome

Leftmost: Bleach
Center: Incarnate
Rightmost: overlay (thank you shaolin)

This batch: thanks, cuddl, lackasexical, & CorpusDei@BA.

Merger by aizome

Thanks shaolin & stealthhuman for this comparison.
Left: Bleach
Right: Incarnate

lackasexical for this overlay below.



Overlay by lackasexical

Thanks cuddl

Overlay by lackasexical

Thanks cuddl

Overlay by Rubine on Encyclopedia Dramatica

From cuddl:

Leftmost: Incarnate
Rightmost: Bleach
Center Two: overlays by shaolin

Thanks cuddl

Bleach, Bleach, Bleach

Overlay from lackasexical


Overlay by lackasexical

From cuddl
Left: Incarnate
Right: Bleach

Overlay by lackasexical

From foodisverygood


From jenny_jade

Left: Bleach
Right: Incarnate

Left: Incarnate
Right: Bleach

Overlay by lackasexical

Thanks cuddl

Overlay from Rubine at Encyclopedia Dramatica

Top Color: Incarnate
Bottom B&W: Bleach

Overlay by lackasexical


Overlay by lackasexical

From jenny_jade


Overlay by kawree

Alternate overlay by lackasexical

overlay and pics from lackasexical.
Left: Bleach
Right: Incarnate

Comparison from stealthhuman.

Left: Bleach
Right: Incarnate


fanart of Bleach character Grimmjow by DeviantArtist rae here. Artist site..

Overlay from Rubine at Encyclopedia Dramatica

Thanks anon for this one.

Left: Incarnate
Right: ChaosVoid @ DeviantArt's S T A L K E R

This overlay was anonymously delivered; for non-Bleach readers, the black haired girl visible is Rukia Kuchiki from Bleach; the blonde girl would be Incarnate's.






Many of these Bleach scans were cleaned by the beautiful people at JU-NI. You can visit them here.

A plaintive cry from Wikipedia-ers here who would like to remind people to strive for neutrality.

para_xylene wanted to point out that there are some very specific plot things that seem similar to whitewolf's VAMPIRE: THE MASQUERADE game, so you can take a look and see.

Hellsing comparison posts linked here here and here. and another one from stealthhuman.

More comparison posts linked here regarding the possible plagiarism of One Piece, Hellsing, Deadman Wonderland, Death Note, Naruto, Lupin the 3rd, Neon Genesis Evangelion, The Sandman, Full Metal Alchemist, Wolf's Rain, Death Note, and YGO.

Another comparison post with a DeviantArt by Robbin Graves. from cuddl

RE: THE MOVIE POSTER SIMILARITY. eironoforos would like to say that that picture is actually used by the people who were distributing Incarnate, and not evidence of plagiarism on Nick Simmons' part. Please don't discuss it as such; thank you!

An anon dropped this gift off from Nick Simmons' favorites on DA.

jimsupreme would like to point out the following...

i've been following the whole nick Simmons/incarnate thing for months and was probably the first to mention his ripping off of bleach, hellsing, one piece etc. please feel free to link to my Youtube Show Geeking Out episode # 89 where I first reviewed the book # 98 where I reviewed # 2 #98 where I reviewed #2.

I contacted Radical , Viz and dark horse months ago about this but, at least something is finally being done...

Lastly, any other BLEACH manga pics in the thread that weren't credited are probably me; but of course, they are all drawn by KUBO TITE.

Incarnate information


Incarnate's Publishers: RADICAL COMICS
Los Angeles (Corporate Headquarters)
Radical Publishing
7421 Beverly Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90036
P: 323-874-4400
F: 323-874-4422
E: radical@radicalcomics.com

VIZ COMICS, the North American license holders for Bleach.
Mailing Address:
VIZ Media, LLC
P.O. BOX 77010
San Francisco, CA 94107

Internet Contact Form (no email addy):


SHUEISHA, the JP publishers for Bleach.

Shueisha Inc
5-10, 2-Chome, Hitotsubashi, Chiyoda-Hu
101 80 05, Tokyo

+81 (3) 3230 6379

website URL:

editor: Hinoshi Yamazahi


Thanks nomoreprinces for the JP contact info.

For the record, I don't care that it's Gene Simmons' son; however, if they're going to try to use some musician's name as a way to sell work that may be copied from another author, I might as well use that same name to gather some attention to such potential copying. Hence the sensationalist subject title.

I'm not the one who caught this; I'm just passing on this message. It came from this original GAMEFAQS thread: by superbot400 here.

It then went to Bleach Asylum; thank you CorpusDei from this thread for many of your first comparisons.

ETA 2: Wow there are a lot of comments in a very short amount of time.
ETA 3: OKAY, if you still have comparison pics, go ahead and post them in the comments. Please do NOT, however, encourage any conspiracies or encourage any harassment... we don't need this comm to get wrapped up in that. You guys are still Bleachness, be classy. Read _debbiechan_'s comment here for clarification.
ETA 4: More pictures.... looks like the Ulquihime scenes are a big hit with Mr. Simmons.
ETA 5: Pictures are going up as I get them in. Thanks people.
ETA 6: KUBO-SENSEI does in fact know.
ETA #9000: Everyone, please stop saying Mr. Nick Simmons replied on Facebook; that one is almost undoubtedly a troll.


From tobu_ishi right here.

So, uh, from yesterday night until this morning, there've been an amazing number of messages from overseas fans along the lines of "There's a manga imitating BLEACH in America!" Well, I had a look at the site and I don't understand English that well, but I think what's written there is something like "It's a manga drawn by Gene Simmons' son, Nick Simmons."


The fact that Gene Simmon's son is a manga-ka disturbs me more than whether he's really copying or not.

Translator's note: (There have been a lot of mistranslations due to Kubo's use of the word mitai, which means 'something like', but which is a homonym for the differently written word meaning 'want to see'. If he's interested in reading Incarnate, he hasn't said so. Also, a lot of people have translated ki ni naru ('disturbed/worried') as 'interested' (ki ni iru). Figured I'd try and help sort that out.)


Everyone in Bleach fandom who has stepped up to devote time to putting up comparisons and panel-matching to the original work, I really appreciate it. You guys are wonderful -- flat out. To everyone who is keeping a cool head through this incredibly frustration stuff, thank you.

Please cut the conspiracy talk here on Bleachness --- we're not an anonymous troll site, okay, no plotting here --- and no speculation of nasty fates for Mr. Simmons. Seriously. Do not feed trolls, either.

To all the people who ended up on Bleachness for the first time ever or in a very long time, a friendly welcome and please enjoy your stay.

A nice timeline here of the entire business from lightina_hime

Round-up of News Stories:

2/25/2010 Anime News Network: Incarnate Halted over Alleged Bleach Plagiarism

2/25/2010 Comic Book Resources: Radical Halts Nick Simmons' Incarnate Amid Claims of Plagiarism

2/25/2010 Oh No They Didn't

2/25/2010 Gene Simmons' Kid is a...

2/25/2010 Geeks of Doom: Nick Simmons Accused of Plagiarism for Incarnate

2/26/2010 CNN Go.com: Gene Simmons' Son Accused of Bleach Plagiarism

2/27/2010 Magnetic Rose: Guest Post - Fans Accuse Nick Simmons of Plagiarizing Bleach

3/1/2010 Nick Simmons Releases Statement, Takes No Responsibility

3/1/2010 New York Times: Comic Book Creator Accused of Plagiarism

3/2/2010 Magnetic Rose: Nick Simmons Statement on Plagiarism Accusations Claims “Homage” to Bleach Artist

3/2/2010 Naked Singularity: What You Give To a Thief is Stolen

3/2/2010 Topless Robot: Nick Simmons Responds...

3/2/2010 ICv2: Nonapology apology

3/2/2010 Icarus: Falsehoods and Wishful Thinking

Some Legal News Articles

3/3/2010 Nick Simmons, the Internet Mob, and Copyright

3/3/2010 Understanding Incarnate and Comic Book Plagiarism

Miscellaneous Links

Encyclopedia Dramatica: Incarnate

Facebook Group: Calling For Legal Action Against Nick Simmons for Plagiarism


ETA 03/01/2010: Mr. Simmons' statement from his publicist here.

“Like most artists I am inspired by work I admire. There are certain similarities between some of my work and the work of others. This was simply meant as an homage to artists I respect, and I definitely want to apologize to any Manga fans or fellow Manga artists who feel I went too far. My inspirations reflect the fact that certain fundamental imagery is common to all Manga. This is the nature of the medium.

I am a big fan of Bleach, as well as other Manga titles. And I am certainly sorry if anyone was offended or upset by what they perceive to be the similarity between my work and the work of artists that I admire and who inspire me.”
Current Mood: ticked off
Ananomoreprinces on February 24th, 2010 02:57 pm (UTC)
Shueisha Inc
5-10, 2-Chome, Hitotsubashi, Chiyoda-Hu
101 50, Tokyo

+81 (3) 3230 6379

website URL:

editor: Hinoshi Yamazahi


Kylarakarenai on February 24th, 2010 02:59 pm (UTC)
Editing in right now, thanks a ton.
(no subject) - _debbiechan_ on February 24th, 2010 03:20 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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enisy: Bleach:: Ulquihime (Pwned)enisy on February 24th, 2010 03:02 pm (UTC)
I just saw this on BA. Ridiculous. He's just gonna feel glad that his daddy's pockets run deep, before long.
burkeontheslyburkeonthesly on February 25th, 2010 03:43 pm (UTC)
From what I know of Gene Simmons, "daddy's pockets" might not do much to help Nick.
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Super Nintendo Chalmers: no excuses inoue!strawberries_85 on February 24th, 2010 03:05 pm (UTC)
Oh my, I don't like the look of this if it's true. Not only is Bleach affected, but Hellsing as well apparently. :(

If this is true, the guy is a freaking tool.
Becky: Bleach - Nnoitragully_moe on February 24th, 2010 03:08 pm (UTC)
The resemblance is uncanny. O_O
hinodehhinodeh on February 24th, 2010 03:10 pm (UTC)
Fuck! There goes KT's impression of American fans.

*shows the middle finger to Mr Simmon's son*
oh gallant piglet,: pistaizome on February 24th, 2010 03:16 pm (UTC)
Shit, he's not even TRYING to get away with it either. It's practically traced:

Kylara: Orihime - NO EXCUSESkarenai on February 24th, 2010 03:19 pm (UTC)
Thanks -- I was hoping someone would do that. (My 'shop skills are lacking.)

It's not practically. That's pretty much "is totally traced". Urgh.
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Super Nintendo Chalmers: no excuses inoue!strawberries_85 on February 24th, 2010 03:17 pm (UTC)
*Urge to kill rising* D:<

Poor Kubo. This shit sucks. :(
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Kylarakarenai on February 24th, 2010 03:19 pm (UTC)
As an artist, tell me how this really makes you feel.
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kawaiisdreal1: Angrykawaiisdreal1 on February 24th, 2010 03:25 pm (UTC)
What the hell?
It even looks TRACED! D:
hinodeh: freulinghinodeh on February 24th, 2010 03:29 pm (UTC)
A lot of Lust arc plagiarism.

Compare: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/350/04/

I feel so dirty after seeing this plagiarized crap.
kawaiisdreal1: Disgustedkawaiisdreal1 on February 24th, 2010 03:32 pm (UTC)
I knew I recognized that sitting pose.....
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『ミカオル』 ☆: sylvestremikaoru on February 24th, 2010 03:37 pm (UTC)
hinodeh: ifurita is scepticalhinodeh on February 24th, 2010 03:47 pm (UTC)
He might be ripping off the big Orihime panel, too.

kawaiisdreal1: Angrykawaiisdreal1 on February 24th, 2010 04:21 pm (UTC)
Ah, he just turned it upside down! D8
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i hurt the flower.: ❙YOU DO A LITTLE DANCE ANDsnoozy on February 24th, 2010 03:47 pm (UTC)
Dude, it is one thing to get inspiration, and a whole other clearly copying/pasting and making money out of it.
Idk how this guy thought he would get away either, considering everyone and their mother know about Bleach.
Kismet's Kiss: Hands Ulquihimeinulover4eva648 on February 24th, 2010 03:50 pm (UTC)

Poor Kubo, I hope he doesn't start hating America because of this.

Okay, let's stay optimistic! Besides the pain of legal battle if he obviously makes a claim against this, hopefully, with a settlement and to cease creation and distribution of this "art", Kubo will get paid a lot of money and feel... honored? that someone loved and acknowledged the beauty of his work so much they felt the need to...copy it...?

I'm trying here =/
Lindsay: Hitsugaya annoyedrinji on February 24th, 2010 03:52 pm (UTC)
I think that if he saw how many of his fans over here were outraged by this blatant copy and made a stand, then he'd be honored. Don't really worry about the backlash.
Super Nintendo Chalmersstrawberries_85 on February 24th, 2010 03:52 pm (UTC)
An interesting point was brought up on BA. Regarding copyright, how far can one go in terms of selling doujins and commissioning fanart?
Kylarakarenai on February 24th, 2010 03:56 pm (UTC)
Doujinshi are a gray legal area that I don't really understand -- but I will say, everyone knows that doujinka are not using their own characters but that the art is their own.

Panel tracing will get you in deep shit for sure. I've seen about six different manga that were canceled after they were caught for tracing -- either other manga, advertisements, photographs, etc - so there's at least precedent for tracing being against the rules.
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