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21 January 2010 @ 10:20 am
The Delicate Issue of Ulquiorra's Return (Poll and Discussion)  
Poll #1514629 The Delicate Issue of Ulquorra's Return

First, do you want him to return? (Check all boxes that apply)

YESSSSSsssssSSSSS! I miss him so! My heart seizes with joy at the mere thought of seeing his face again!
56(21.9%)
Sure, he was an interesting character and I wouldn't mind seeing him back.
15(5.9%)
No, I dislike manga-ka pandering to please fans of a popular character.
6(2.3%)
No, I'm an Ulquiorra fan and I think his death was perfect and his story finished.
8(3.1%)
It's Kubo's choice--if he entertains me with a return scene, I'm all for it, but if he blows the plot and ruins Ulqui's character, I'm against it.
30(11.7%)
I'll stop reading Bleach if Ulquiorra returns.
1(0.4%)
There will be no limit to the Schadenfreude in fandom and I hope Ulqui returns to throw Lanza del ReLampago into the throats of his Hatorz.
0(0.0%)
No, because Ulquiorra has no good reason STORY-WISE to come back.
10(3.9%)
No, because I don't want him and Orihime to have another chance to noodle fingers together or share hearts or whatever fanservices shippers of that pair.
0(0.0%)
Other (explain in comments)
3(1.2%)

Second, do you actually BELIEVE Ulquiorra will return? (Check all boxes that apply).

No, the guy blew away in the wind.
15(6.3%)
Yes, no one ever dies in Bleach, least of all such a popular character.
14(5.9%)
Oh NO, he finally understood the heart, had a great death scene, end of story--he said himself it would "never end" unless he died! Is he supposed to keep fighting the main character until the end of the manga! HOLY TEDIUM!
11(4.6%)
Yes, he still has to throw Lanza Del ReLampago successfully--shounen characters are never given a weapon to have it fail on its first try without it being used successfully another time.
7(2.9%)
Yes, because Morita-kun asked Kubo if Ulqui was dead at Jump Festa and Kubo was coy and Kishimoto was the same way about Kakashi last year and we know Kakashi came back from the dead.
13(5.4%)
No, because Kubo is just a tease and will say anything to placate his fanbase but he loved the death scene and it was voted favorite scene of the manga at Jump Festa and why ruin a good thing like that?
7(2.9%)
Yes because there's money in that there Emo Espada and Jump knows it.
7(2.9%)
No, because Kubo won't compomise his manga by letting all these secondary characters take it over--Ichigo's popularity is already slipping!
1(0.4%)
Yes because Kubo always planned Ulqui's return. Ulquiorra appears to be an homage to Vegeta who also turned to ash and returned from the dead as a villian redeemed.
8(3.3%)
No, because Kubo has too much other story to tell and his editors won't let him bring back stuff to drag down the pacing further--they cut out the Menos Forest and Ashido and the Zanpakutou arc remember?
5(2.1%)
No, because I willed it with my mind. Kubo is very susceptible to my telepathic energy.
0(0.0%)
Yes, because the fans (even in Russia!) are writing Kubo letters begging for Ulquiorra's return!
5(2.1%)
Other (explain in comments)
11(4.6%)









I believe in Ulquiorra's return. I believe that Kubo-sensei planned his return before Ulquiorra left--that's why Ulqui didn't get a flashback, didn't get to ruminate further on what a heart is (he merely realized the idea as in "oh there!" which is lovely and poetic but knowing Kubo, there's usually more), and why Ulqui didn't throw Lanza del ReLampago successfully (my dear LB7-sensei was fuming about the scene and wondering why Kubo made it look like Ulqui needed bifocals--WHY miss? To only shoot successfully, say I, in the grand shounen tradition). Other reasons why Ulqui will return include that he's a wonderfully exploitable character--his suspicious nature makes him endlessly unfathomable so one may never really be sure whose side he's on, his relationship with Orihime seems to have caught fandom by fire and all artists and businesses love this sort of thing in an audience.
Also, Ulquiorra's death was by far the most beautiful death in Bleach I've seen so far but it isn't the closing sentence on the heart theme. Hearts, as far as we understand them in Bleach so far, do not exist merely between a dead friend and a living one, such as in the dynamic between Kaien and Rukia introduced in the Arrancar arc. Orihime spoke of hearts in tower, Aizen spoke of hearts in recent chapters, and the heart theme, like Ulquiorra, I believe, will return again to Bleach.

ETA: Aaaaand Alex made me remember two of the other main reasons I believe Ulqui is coming back.
1) because Orihime needs to show off her tremendous powers of bringing back something from nothing (like Hacchi did with Tsubaki).

2) (can't believe I forgot this one), I don't like the idea of a shounen hero having blood on his hands. Ichigo KILLED Ulquiorra against all the codes of civil warfare, when Ulqui was already disabled, and it wouldn't make any sense for Ichigo to atone for that without things being made "all better by the dragonballs." This IS shounen.

 
 
 
pony_rocks: pic#84544780pony_rocks on January 21st, 2010 04:27 pm (UTC)
I voted he might return - Jump interest/money reasons.
As for whether I want him back, I voted Other because Ulquiorra totally doesn't interest me and they might take the dust, stuff it into a pipe and smoke it, for all I car.
selenityshiroi: ulquiorra-1st level releaseselenityshiroi on January 21st, 2010 04:27 pm (UTC)
Hah, I picked multiple answers, but they all match my feelings.

I think Ulquiorra will return. His story doesn't feel complete the way Kubo left things. I think he has more development to go through and I want to see it.

However, I also don't think we'll see him before the end of this arc. Maybe not even in the next arc. His return will have a meaning and a purpose, and for that I am willing to wait.
Becky: Bleach - Ulquiorra Release 2gully_moe on January 21st, 2010 04:39 pm (UTC)
I would like Ulquiorra to return, but I am not sure if I believe he will. I can't think of a logical way, but there are weird scenarios out there. I am unsure because of Kubo being dodgy regarding Ulquiorra's death, so who knows.
45¢ and an Almond Joy: Bleach: Ura *heart*conjure_lass on January 21st, 2010 04:47 pm (UTC)
I never understood everyone's fascination with his as a character anyway, so I voted for him not to return as there is no logical reason for him to do so. Also, I don't necessarily buy all the "he didn't get a backstory" talk because Halibel didn't get one either and everyone seems to assume she's dead too.

But most likely he'll return in some really cliche' sort of sentimental way because he's a complete cashcow. [/jaded response]

Edited at 2010-01-21 04:47 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous) on November 28th, 2010 08:07 pm (UTC)
Harribel did get a story :). Remember? before she turned into an arrancar and she saved other female adjustas when in trouble (sp?). She was always enemies with espada No 2 aswell. I'm not judging annything you are saying :) just thaught that I would say
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Tsunytsunysan on January 21st, 2010 04:52 pm (UTC)
I voted for 'It's Kubo's choice--if he entertains me with a return scene....(don't wanna copy/paste all that thing)'.I have nothing agaist his return,as long as Kubo doesn't ruin everything (which I'm afraid it would happen) and I believe he won't.No Espada has returned yet, not even Grimmjow and, as much as I hate to admit it, he's most likely dead too.
Besides, I don't want anymore plotkai -_-
r0ck3tsci3ntist - sorry, kidding: beautiful monsterr0ck3tsci3ntist on January 21st, 2010 05:05 pm (UTC)
I want him to return. I know, shocker! But I have no idea whether Kubo-sensei will bring him back or not. I can think of all kinds of ways he could do it that I think would be interesting but it isn't my call. All I can do is make fan arts based on my wishful thinking.

Though it WOULD be super sparkly epic if he was to actually hit something with Lanza DelRelampago sometime.
oh gallant piglet,: bacardicaraizome on January 21st, 2010 05:07 pm (UTC)
I believe he will return because Orihime has been set up at this point to have a huge powerup, and Hacchi's advice to her foreshadows it. The only way he (Ulquiorra) can believably return, is if she brings him back. We know she CAN bring him back. And if she bothered bringing back Loli and Menoly, who had just beat her up, there's no good reason why she wouldn't at least WANT to bring Ulquiorra back.

What more can I say? I want to see some Hime character development, and right now, on the dome, his character plays a crucial part in that development.

(And no, I'm not an UlquiHime shipper. Just a Bleach reader.)

Edited at 2010-01-21 05:08 pm (UTC)
_debbiechan_: orihime 341_debbiechan_ on January 21st, 2010 05:20 pm (UTC)

oh I forgot that reason--because Orihime needs to show off her tremendous powers of bringing back something from nothing (like Hacchi did with Tsubaki).

Also (can't believe I forgot this one), I don't like the idea of a shounen hero having blood on his hands. Ichigo KILLED Ulquiorra against all the codes of civil warfare, when Ulqui was already disabled, and it wouldn't make any sense for Ichigo to atone for that without things being made "all better by the dragonballs." This IS shounen.
(Anonymous) on January 21st, 2010 05:22 pm (UTC)
oooh... Tough question that I have complicated feelings about.

As to whether I want Ulquiorra back, yes, yes I do. I'm not too proud to admit that I'm very much a fanboy, and would welcome his return with open arms. Even if I concede to points about the poignancy of his death, all my interest and appreciation of artistic beauty and climactic death just can't overcome my sheer, selfish desire to see my favorite character in the manga again.

Granted, that's not to say that his failure return would be a deal breaker. I haven't given up on Bleach yet... well, I did, but only for a couple months. I don't feel cheated for the end Ulquiorra received, and as long as there are villains of various archetypes I'll always find SOMETHING to interest me.

There's also the whiny, childish fanboy inside of me, which fancies to amuse itself by screaming "Come on, Kubo! The Shinigami fans can look forward to Matsumoto making a complete recovery despite having her intestines ripped out. The vizard fans can look forward to Hiyori making a complete recover despite being CUT IN HALF... how's about you finally throw the arrancar fans a bone?"

_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on January 21st, 2010 05:27 pm (UTC)

But there's also the risk that if Ulqui comes back from UTTER ASH (although "From the Ashes 2" has a nice ring to it for a chapter title), no one is ever going to buy another Bleach death EVER EVER AGAIN... XD

Grimmjow has to live. I wonder if his coming back makes Ulqui's coming back more likely in the eyes of fans or less. Ah, I needed more poll questions.
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mikados on January 21st, 2010 05:25 pm (UTC)
I like Ulquiorra, I like all of the Espada, but characters die and that's it.

It's KT's choice, though I have a feeling he will make Ulqi return. I just hope he had it planned and not because of the crazy fans.

Then again why just Emo-boy? It's a bit dangerous to begin resurection of characters, sooner or later fans will demanding more; Bring back Noitora, Szayel, Hallibel and Starrk as well... AND their fraccions!
oh gallant piglet,: lilynetteaizome on January 21st, 2010 05:33 pm (UTC)
Bring back Noitora, Szayel, Hallibel and Starrk as well... AND their fraccions!

I don't think any of those characters are gone for good. All of their "deaths" were more ambiguous than Ulquiorra's. Plus, Unohana's on the scene now, and she's been shown to not discriminate when it comes to who she heals.

Edited at 2010-01-21 05:36 pm (UTC)
Kylara: scary rangikukarenai on January 21st, 2010 05:30 pm (UTC)
Do I want him to return? Except for that I want my friends to be happy and all my Bleach friends without exception love Ulquiorra, I personally truly do not care either way if he returns or not. For all of your sake, though, I do want him to come back.

Do I think he'll return? No, and let me throw some controversy in this pot - it's because 1) I think he's the price Orihime must permanently pay for her inaction on the dome and 2) I think he would interfere with canon, endgame Ishihime. Ulquihime is just so hot.

Edited at 2010-01-21 05:31 pm (UTC)
_debbiechan_: ISHIDA 343_debbiechan_ on January 21st, 2010 05:50 pm (UTC)

LOL, I cherish this answer. Thanks for thinking of me and my favorite ship to boot. It'd be a tough challenge for Ishida if Ulqui came back, but I believe my boy can rise to the occasion.
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Kona-kunkonart on January 21st, 2010 05:40 pm (UTC)
" Yes, because the fans (even in Russia!) are writing Kubo letters begging for Ulquiorra's return!"
made my day, lol
Kim!: Mmm... Jump...spartydragon on January 21st, 2010 05:44 pm (UTC)
I picked multiple reasons too. XD

Do I want him back? Not really - he was an interesting character but unlike many fans, I do not get attached to side characters very easily.

Will he come back? Possibly. I personally wouldn't bring him back, but this is Kubo we're talking about here. And Aizen. There's a number of GOOD reasons why Ukelala could return (or any of the arrancar for that matter) but there are also a few bazillion FANSERVICE reasons as well.
Amy: Ulquiorra → In Flamesamy_core on January 21st, 2010 06:05 pm (UTC)
I'm still trying to find the person who wrote Kubo that letter на русском in Russian with lots of ウルキオラ kanji in it.

Tough luck.

As for the poll... Ulquiorra and Stark were my favorite Espada and I was sad to see them go coughjustlikethatcough. But I don't miss them now, to be honest. IMO, Ulq could very well come back at some point in the manga, be it by himself or by Inoue's hands. I just don't really care whether he stays dead for good or not ATM.

r0ck3tsci3ntist - sorry, kidding: beautiful monsterr0ck3tsci3ntist on January 21st, 2010 06:08 pm (UTC)
icon love!
yulieana on January 21st, 2010 06:11 pm (UTC)
Do I want him to return?

Abso-freaken-lutely. He is an extremely interesting character who had the potential to move the story in ways that will rock our sox. A hollow with a heart is a goldmine. And I ADORE UlquiHime to boot.


Do I think he will return?

I am undecided. Considering the idea of unfinished business, there is definitely a chance. But then again, I am afraid that Kubo planned IshiHime all along, and there is no place for Ulquiorra if that's the case. He just had way too much chemistry with Orihime for IshiHime to have a possibility if he is around.

Ishida is the only human I see for Orihime. Ulquiorra is "too good" to be human. His hollowness is much more fitting for him.

So, if he doesn't return, and IshiHime is gonna happen, I have faith that Kubo will give them enough development to make me adore them too. You hear that, Kubo-sensei??!!! Make an Orihime ship that will be awe inspiring!!!

Edited at 2010-01-21 06:30 pm (UTC)
Sorry, can you put the music louder?: Sorry I stutteredstellarabyss on January 21st, 2010 06:36 pm (UTC)
When I read the subject of this post. I thought I missed something that was in the last chapter or fell into some type of time warp it was time was the next chapters spoilers or something.

I picked several answers because I wouldn't mind seeing him come back especially if it means Orihime putting her powers to some KICK-ASS use. Plus if he does that will give me the glimmer of hope that for Grimmjow's return.
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on January 21st, 2010 07:07 pm (UTC)

The topic just keeps coming up again and again in fandom so I decided to create a space for people to voice their opinions.