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22 December 2009 @ 11:41 pm
Bleach Ep. 251 Discussion  
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the ultimate douchebag. And no, it's not Tousen.



This episode is a giant flashback, basically, starting from where we left off last time. Muramasa keeps trying to call for a new world with Kouga and says they should let the past stay in the past. Kouga appears to have developed an acute lack of hearing and responds by killing the men who set him up for jail in the first place.

Ginrei clearly doesn't like that much as head of the Kuchiki Clan. And as much as I respect Ginrei, what he did wasn't too smart. So yeah, he had it coming when Kouga attempted to kill him and wasn't able to. There's a scene with him and Kouga that results in Kouga taking off his kensei with his sword and chopping off a piece of his flaming gay magenta pink hair.

No joke, I was thinking to myself: Yumichika wouldn't like that. How unfashionable. At least get it cut at a hair salon.

Anyways, Kouga gets it into his head that the whole world hates him which is true. So he goes on a killing spree that Muramasa reluctantly participates in. However, it gets to the point where the disconnect between the two results in Muramasa not showing up when called because he can't hear Kouga's voice and not because Kouga is going batshit crazy, which he is. More killing ensues and finally Muramasa asks Kouga if what they're doing is necessary.

I mean, Kouga killed innocent Soul Society bystanders who weren't armed, after all. So yeah, he's got a right to question what the hell his wielder is doing. But guess what? Kouga doesn't think so. He pulls a d-bag move worthy of Tousen and knees Muramasa in the stomach. Muramasa collapses and says that maybe Kouga is tired and that explains his pissy attitude. Cue the faint prickles of pity from the viewers. Kouga doesn't listen and keeps saying that Muramasa should be a good bitch sword and shut the hell up while kicking Muramasa.

Cue the very large roar of anger from the viewers.

More stuff happens and Yamamoto and Ginrei show up to seal Kouga away. Having realized that his swordsmanship isn't that great Muramasa's ability is actually useful, Kouga attempts to call on his shikai to defend himself from the two old men.

No go. Muramasa doesn't show up. Kouga gets sealed.

Now we're back to the present with a sword in Muramasa's stomach. Kouga bitches that when he called for Muramasa, Muramasa didn't show up.

Muramasa honestly looks stricken and says that he never heard Kouga call for him and that he waited for years and years and years before finally realizing that Kouga had been sealed away. All he wanted was for Kouga to be free again.

Kouga pulls a very douche-y move and called Muramasa a tool as he withdraws his broken sword from Muramasa's abdomen. Blood spills, pools on the ground. Rukia and Ichigo have matching 'what the hell' faces. Kouga adds insult to injury by calling Muramasa a tool once more before preparing to give the final blow.

Only to find himself stopped by Byakuya who looks very unamused.

Cue insane amounts of cheering from the viewers. Episode ends.

Anyone else feel like gutting Kouga and hanging him by his feet upside down? Just saying~~
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朽木 白哉  ✿  Kuchiki Byakuya: pride and hubris/what the fuck are you dplatycodon on December 23rd, 2009 06:26 am (UTC)
I was saying this on capslock_bleach that Byakuya's sole role in that episode was to show up and go "nu-uh, you do not do that."

Also, the expressions:

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They slay me every time! Also, Muramasa went from being a dick to being wibble worthy.

I'm so curious to find out who that woman is that cares so deeply for Kouga and Ginrei would bother worrying about her. Is this why the family was so reluctant when Byakuya adopted Rukia?
朽木 白哉  ✿  Kuchiki Byakuya: royaltyplatycodon on December 23rd, 2009 06:26 am (UTC)
ALSO. tiny byakuya. so worth waiting two weeks for the almost-finale.
_debbiechan_: gay by sxylilwitch_debbiechan_ on December 23rd, 2009 09:23 am (UTC)

Byakuya squee time, yes... Widdle Bya was awesome. <3 Well, this filler turned out to be the Byakuya arc, didn't it?
朽木 白哉  ✿  Kuchiki Byakuya: overstepped boundriesplatycodon on December 23rd, 2009 05:52 pm (UTC)
I am so happy that it did. I thought that the Kuchiki's would get an arc with Amagai, BUT THEY DIDN'T. /grumbles about arcs about nobility and no mention of Byakuya
blackmarquise: byakushiblackmarquise on December 23rd, 2009 09:46 am (UTC)
I totally second that. Younger Byakuya is awesome!
*swoooning over him*
朽木 白哉  ✿  Kuchiki Byakuya: speakplatycodon on December 23rd, 2009 05:52 pm (UTC)
He's so impressionable *33*
riolulz: Shake it Ulqiuorrariolulz on December 23rd, 2009 03:36 pm (UTC)
Sadly I think little byakuya got scarred for life by Ginrei and the hair thingies 8(
朽木 白哉  ✿  Kuchiki Byakuya: royaltyplatycodon on December 23rd, 2009 05:52 pm (UTC)
8( Put as many in as possible.
scorpio8116scorpio8116 on December 23rd, 2009 08:13 am (UTC)
I never thought I'd actually be feeling sorry for Muramasa. O.o I liked this episode, though. I loved the awesome old-guy duo, even if they didn't really get to show off their powers. And that lady whose face is never shown, I suppose she's Kouga's mother? Maybe it's just me, but her hair is very similar to Tobiume's... sorry, a crack theory is brewing in my head.
blackmarquise: byakushiblackmarquise on December 23rd, 2009 09:45 am (UTC)
It was an interesting episode, I really like seeing how soul society was before ...By the way, those ( betraying) captains are so... I don't know Low-class.

I'm still wondering about the Kuchiki woman. I still think that she's Byakuya's aunt or cousin and of course Kouga's wife.

at the episode of the last ep, I thought the reason Kouga stabbed Muramasa was because was because after a several millenia sealed away, he would have figured out that he let Muramasa manipulate him, but it wasn't even that.
Kouga's is pitiful, really. He really can't deal with all that power (and the responsabilities that comes with it) by himself. He weak (mentally, and not much of a swordman too...) that's why Muramasa could convince him so easily...

Note:Kouga's is terribly unpretty in that ep, even in his young version.

Note 2: I agree with Yumichika cutting his hair with a sword is very uncool, especially if he could have just removed his hair from the Kenseikan...

the omake brought up another question, I've been wondering for a while. Why doesn't Ginrei wear a Kenseikan and Kouga wear one?

I thought that maybe the Kuchiki family was divised in several branches. Byakuya and Kouga (by marriage) might be part of the main family, and Ginrei is Probaly younger brother of the ex- Head of the Kuchiki clan or he too married in the family

What do you think?
Styx667styx_uchiha on December 23rd, 2009 01:32 pm (UTC)
-the omake brought up another question, I've been wondering for a while. Why doesn't Ginrei wear a Kenseikan and Kouga wear one?-

In the omake, I understood Ginrei weared the kenseikans, only... elsewhere
blackmarquise: kuchiki-san!!!!!blackmarquise on December 23rd, 2009 02:16 pm (UTC)
oooooh, I see not . okay, it's kinda creepy...
sleepwalkersleepwalkerrrr on December 24th, 2009 01:08 am (UTC)
Lol I thought similarly about almost everything. It's interesting to delve more into SS's history (plot material Kubo??) and I really wondered where those betraying captains even captains cause they were so full of shit.

And I also thought that way about Kouga's motives too. First I thought that Muramasa really did this shit and it's Kouga who was the victim and stabbed Masa cause he realized that. But now it just seems that he was the dick all along, Muramasa just being extremely faithful to him.

It's really very touching how faithful Muramasa was. And how betrayed he got. I understood that that's why Muramasa didn't hear Kouga's voice, because he got so full of himself that he essentially forgot that Muramasa was the source of his power and he should respect Muramasa, he lost connection to Muramasa because he strayed to far into his "Me, me, me..."-world.

And lol I seriously thought that the reason Ginrei ran away from answering to Byakuya is because he doesn't want to reveal to him where he keeps his Kenseikan... you probably got the point :D

I'm thinking that maybe that woman really was Kouga's wife and Kouga actually is BYAKUYA'S FATHER! (is that even possible in filler ? :D)
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qwirky on December 24th, 2009 07:50 am (UTC)
I think filler is only 'non-cannon' because people say it is.
Anime filler is non-canon because it was not created by Kubo. The anime itself is non-canon - although a lot of the anime is heavily based on the manga, the anime also adds in or deletes things, makes changes, etc. The filler arcs go even further by not being directly based on manga material - the anime writers create brand new stories without Kubo's input, approval, or participation. Kubo's involvement with the anime is almost non-existent, other than character designs and his heavy involvement with Fade to Black. That's why the anime isn't canon. Quality has no relation to whether something is canon.

I don't believe 'nothing in filler can ever be canon EVAR
I agree with this. Just because something occurs in the anime and not the manga, that doesn't mean it can never become canon. However, until Kubo actually puts it into the manga, either in the series itself, volume drawings, official guidebooks, etc., it's not canon.
pony_rocks: pic#84544780pony_rocks on December 23rd, 2009 02:58 pm (UTC)
Oh, well. Douche-bagititis runs in the family, apparently. ;)
riolulzriolulz on December 23rd, 2009 03:38 pm (UTC)
I'm interested to see who that girl is, her face is never shown. I'm thinking its going to be Kouga's Wife/Ginrei's daughter but why won't they show us her face?!?!!
(Anonymous) on December 23rd, 2009 11:36 pm (UTC)
Because she's a paid transvestite from Jupiter a la one of Killua's brothers from HxH.

I call it. *fixes bowtie*
Biodamper: lelouch wrathbiodamper on December 23rd, 2009 07:27 pm (UTC)
Anyone else feel like gutting Kouga and hanging him by his feet upside down? Just saying

I second this. Had some sympathy for him in episode number one, but not anymore >:(
karkashan: Evilly Madekarkashan on December 23rd, 2009 07:50 pm (UTC)
Okay then. Kouga pre-betrayed was slightly arrogant but an all right guy.

Post-betrayed he is batshit insane.

For some odd reason it reminds me of Kariya, though only slightly.
(Anonymous) on December 23rd, 2009 11:33 pm (UTC)
Bleach_Capslock is gonna have FUN with this episode. :3

Wow. Kouga topped Tousen when it comes to being a Dickhead. Amazing. And a filler character, no less. I wouldn't be surprised if there will enough 34 material for the upcoming Porn Friday by the end of this week. Yes, I went there.
Marisa Serisemarisaserise on December 24th, 2009 12:56 am (UTC)
That honest look of shock on Muramasa's face is really what did me in. It's a massive misunderstanding -- but I mean, I had a feeling that was the case during the middle of the ep when Kouga is blathering about how Everyone Hates Hiiiiim Soooooo Much (tm) and Muramasa is in the background far far away going, "I can't hear your voice..."

I'm ready for a provolone...err, Kouga beatdown, delivered in 30 minutes or less by Byakuya. Serious Business.
the cosplayin' cat ladymochavalentino on December 24th, 2009 02:02 am (UTC)
Huge sigh of relief when Byakuya comes in. Everything explained. Pride=Senbonzakura. Correct? Ain't no one touching my sword, bish! *smack*

I admit, I felt bad for Kouga last week, but not so much this time. I still won't pity Muramasa, because I think he's more than half responsible for screwing Kouga up in the first place. But this episode was definitely designed to induce pity for him, so we understand why he did all this.

I am now officially satisfied with this filler, but watch my satisfaction turn to eye rolling when Ichigo ends up finishing Kouga off.
aeri: kuchiki byakuyailuxe_love on December 24th, 2009 03:55 am (UTC)
So everything is making so much more sense, yay!

Ugh, Kouga. >.> His muscles freak me out.

Also, little Byakuya in the Shinigami Picture Book. I love him. <3 He's SO ADORABLE!!! He takes everything so seriously. Favorite part of the episode wasn't even part of the episode really, haha.
saiechansaiechan on December 24th, 2009 04:25 am (UTC)
*snaps fingers* Byakuya ain't having none of that! *snaps fingers again*

My name is Kuchiki Byakuya, you tried to kill my grandfather, prepare to die.

Really I do not know whose the bigger douchebag Tousen or Kouga. While Tousen betrayed the majority of his "friends" and those who admired him and also ruined the lives of the former captains and lietenants from 110 years ago, this just seems a bit more cruel. Its his freaking Zanpakuto for pete's sake!! How can someone do that to an extension of their own soul??

So yeah, I feel kinda bad for Muramasa-poor guy.

At least Byakuya's back, and now everything makes sense! It'll really suck when Ichigo comes in and save the day-let some of the characters have some fun too Ichi!!