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05 December 2009 @ 12:00 am
Ships: Will any of them happen at the end?  
I know I’m opening a can of worms, but I’ve been browsing around looking at arguments for different ships, but basically all of them are bias, which is okay. But the truth is they haven’t convinced me. I think in the end the series might be left pretty open.

At this point I’m caught up with the anime and manga. I’ve also seen the movies and caught some clips of the Bleach musicals. I know that only manga is the considered the main canon, but I do think that the filler episodes, movies or musicals must have some kind of guide lines they have to follow, unless there is an interview where Kubo has said something different.

I haven’t read any of Kubo’s interviews, so I don’t know what he has to say about ships.

What I’m looking for, are people who are not bias toward a certain ship and tell me why you think it is going to happen in canon.
 
 
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シボ 洋蔥さん: magatama pinknijibug on December 5th, 2009 07:04 am (UTC)
I think in the end anybody and everybody will end up marrying Ishida and they'll rotate on different days of the week. Month. Year. Yeah, year...there are a lot of characters...

/ded srs
nehalenia: six hearts animatednehalenia on December 5th, 2009 07:11 am (UTC)
Hell YEAH! Shoot, I was gonna say the nakama all shack up together and have picnics and adventures and scads and scads of ginger beer because, after all, Kubo made that 'six hearts beating as one' scribble, but I think I like this one better. ;)
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blackmarquiseblackmarquise on December 5th, 2009 07:19 am (UTC)
Ships that become cannon are so not funny...

To me, the couple that is closer to ever became true is definitely RukiaIchigo. I mean, Rukia is already the center of Ichigo's world, if only could open her eyes a little and realized that it would happend, it'll be great.
But , I believe that Kubo said there won't be any develloping romance in bleach ( besides the already married couple). So that's kinda stop any hope for IchiHIme of IshiHIme, or even RenjiRukia. Probably RukiaIchigo too.

Kubo always gives hints: we never have a real romance ( cf: MatumotoxGin, we don't know if she loves him in romantic way, just that they were close and she's now very hurt. That's exactly the same situation as Kira...). RukiaIchigo and Renjirukia are the same we're stuck between a deep friendship and romantic feeling...

Only Orihime made her feelings clear (to everyone but Ichigo...). The problem is that well, Ichigo's isn't aware of her feeling and doesn't even see her as possible girlfriend and the girl is really pretty. She's not totally out of competition, though. When the war is over, and that Ichigo can think about normal thing like havin a girlfriend, maybe he'll go out with her.

bemoan1000 on December 5th, 2009 04:31 pm (UTC)
I believe that Kubo said there won't be any develloping romance in bleach

Thanks that is good to know. And I agree the Kubo always give hints here and there, which I think is cool because it gives meaning to most everyone's ship.

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Super Nintendo Chalmersstrawberries_85 on December 5th, 2009 07:21 am (UTC)
At this point in time, I don't think there will be a definite romantic ending for everyone, but I don't think Kubo is "really open" about ships. Looking at the way he develops character interactions, I think he is implying that there will be some "romantic conclusion" but not the typical Western/Disney movie style. No fairytale ending, but a Kubo-ish, sort of "subtle but still there and still obvious" sort of conclusion.

Bleach is not a romance, but the interactions and feelings between/of characters are important because the characters and their development are a driving force of Bleach. Now, I am biased towards Ichiruki and Ulquihime, but I do not expect fariytale like, really obvious/cheesy endings for any of the nakama. What I outlined above is what I feel Kubo may do at the end, regardless of which ship/s he ends with.
bemoan1000 on December 5th, 2009 04:36 pm (UTC)
No fairytale ending, but a Kubo-ish, sort of "subtle but still there and still obvious" sort of conclusion.

I also think this will happen, but I do think people will still debating about the ‘obvious’ part, which is going on now. There are some things I think are ‘obvious’ and others think I’m crazy, but it’s all good. :D
Robin: Aizen: So that's where it went...robinterrae on December 5th, 2009 07:29 am (UTC)
I'm praying for an ending similar to Yu-Gi-Oh!, where the big bad is defeated and the hero and his friends walk off into the sunset, for their story has only just begun.
シボ 洋蔥さん: magatama purplenijibug on December 5th, 2009 07:37 am (UTC)
Mmhm. Throwing my lot in with this one. ♥
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♀*La Muerte Chiquita*♀: Cool Ishidala_kalaka on December 5th, 2009 07:31 am (UTC)
In some degree all we are biased for those ships. For me love is a chemical reaction ;D But after my chemical reaction I think I can come to my senses and see aside the ship of my love (I'm IshiHime to the core).

Which is a different and not so biased reaction than others who prefer deny canon and go against it. But that is another matter, my point: this is my opinions about canon seeing it aside my personal wishes.

As you think, I believe Kubo is gonna give us a pretty open end (at least i've seen various mangas who end like that) with a few hints here and there and let the rest to our crazy imaginations.

The open end I is about hint of IchiRuki growing into the next level. Not my fav ship (i prefer RenRu xD) but since the beggining of Bleach, this has been one of the most well constructed relationships between them. If you see Memories in the Rain, you can see a good example of understanding and bonding. My favorite moment between the two. Hints about the deep of that relationship are through all the manga, so I'm clear about it (Kubo why!? Renjiii!! ;_;)

My second prediction, a posible IshiHime. But even if my inner fangirl dreams about it maybe we can get just a light hint about it, since it looks like character growing and coming of age are more important for these two. While Orihime needs to grow up and be able to live like she wish and grow past her fears and self-doubt; Ishida needs to learn to not isolate himself, to truly understand what he wants to protect and be more honest with himself. So in this point I can imagine Orihime and Ishida as two companions walking together the same road, and growing along with a true bond (as friends, as lovers, as brothers or whatever Kubo wants to hint there) :3

About Renji, well, I can imagining going ahead in his own journey, learning how to let his past behind and working for the future ahead. fighting, caring for his chilhood friend and being happy on his own, cause he deserves it.

Chad: I hope he can get his friends back and next to him. Closing his bonds and then, maybe he can get a nice girl to love ;D

Well those are my predictions for the teenagers (or almost teenagers from this story) of the main cast ;D For me, those are who live in that hurricane of feelings called "love".

bemoan1000 on December 5th, 2009 04:54 pm (UTC)
I agree that we will all be biased about any ships.

(I'm IshiHime to the core)

This is one of my favorite ships and the first one I was interested in.


As you think, I believe Kubo is gonna give us a pretty open end (at least i've seen various mangas who end like that) with a few hints here and there and let the rest to our crazy imaginations.

I also think so, even though, I know there will always be that debate this is canon or not canon. But in the end we all end up in our own little corner of fandom and it is real to us.

I haven’t seen Memories in the Rain and here I thought I was all caught up. Now I’m going to have to hunt down this movie.
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oh gallant piglet,aizome on December 5th, 2009 07:47 am (UTC)
This isn't really what you're asking for, but honestly, fandom aside, I can't see Ichigo ending up with anyone at all. He just screams "asexual" to me. Probably partly because his dad is so embarrassingly open about things, and partly because I don't think Ichigo will ever get over his mommy issues. I can see him being the supportive uncle babysitting Yuzu's or Karin's kids someday, and letting those kids get away with everything. But he's waaaaaay too self-focused to be in a couples relationship with anyone. At least right now.

That said, with the majority of the "main" characters being teenagers, it makes predicting even more difficult. Most of the married couples I know didn't go to high school together, but met later on as adults. Then again, this is manga, and that sort of hook-up seems to happen more often there.

And at the risk of getting shot, I think it's very unlikely that living humans and shinigami (and arrancar) will end up living anywhere but their own worlds, so... uh.

CHAD NEEDS TO MOVE TO THE US SO HE CAN END UP WITH ME OK
kari_izumikari_izumi on December 5th, 2009 08:02 am (UTC)

And at the risk of getting shot, I think it's very unlikely that living humans and shinigami (and arrancar) will end up living anywhere but their own worlds, so... uh.

I assume you've already read Jaina's fic "Setting Sun, Rising Moon," which I think did a fairly decent job of showing how messy a long-distance relationship can get. Especially with a world and at least a century between them.

But Shinigami/Human pairings I can believe a bit more than Arrancar with anyone but each other, since all the humans are gonna end up in Soul Society eventually. And when all else fails, you can always set the story a hundred years into the future or something and have your humans meet the Shinigami of your choosing there. :)
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kari_izumi: I'm on a shipkari_izumi on December 5th, 2009 08:14 am (UTC)
Kubo keeps pretty tight lipped on the situation of romance in all his interviews. I think the most he's said is that Ichigo and Rukia are more than friends and less than lovers. Make of that what you will, but from what I've gathered most Japanese manga-ka don't like to spill the beans about their works, even after it's ended (See "Cowboy Bebop"'s ending, which fans are still arguing over a decade later about)

TBH, I second what Robinterrae sad upthread. I ship Ichiruki and outside of soapdom it's the first couple I've shipped since grade school with a decent chance of becoming canon; however, I could be pretty happy with all six of them being just friends at the end.
bemoan1000 on December 5th, 2009 05:11 pm (UTC)

I think the most he's said is that Ichigo and Rukia are more than friends and less than lovers.

I already see this. But I won’t get into here.


Make of that what you will, but from what I've gathered most Japanese manga-ka don't like to spill the beans about their works, even after it's ended (See "Cowboy Bebop"'s ending, which fans are still arguing over a decade later about)

That’s good to know. I do like author’s that leave things to the reader’s imagination.
snowlol1pop: IchiRuki quosnowlol1pop on December 5th, 2009 08:32 am (UTC)
well i'd like to give rly brilliant srsbznz opinion, but i could only make some references as to how kubo might 'conclude' this romantic-ish pairing2 thing;
#1-either he'd make it really obvious and canon-canon, like in rurouni kenshin. y'know..they even had baby, and the whole story revolves around them 2, and even other characters recognized them 2 as a couple throughout the series. Or like ranma. yeah.
#2-or he'd just address it lightly, but we'll be told specifically who's with who; like in dragon ball, i dont remember much 'romantic, lovey-dovey' scenes between goku/chichi, vegeta/bulma, kuririn/cyborg no.18, etc.. but we know they're together & married.
#3-or he'd just subtly (and i dont mean deekhead-tousen-subtle 3_3) show us little tiny tid-bits of people he'd like for us to think that they got together.. ah. i'm trying to find valid example for this one, but it's harder than the other above 2; i'd like to refer to a completed series, at least. well the closest one i'd use is eyeshield21; the series has a lot of fighting-type scenes (their games/match) -like bleach, some romance were shown in it via characters' flashback/background story, but these romance only includes significant-enough-but-not-the-main-character characters; -i'd like to think that in Bleach, the flashbacks of gin/rangiku, hisana/byakuya, etc, are like bleach-romance. so, eyeshield21's ended, and in the end, they were no concrete evidence/proof of who got it going with who, but they were pictures like give you ideas.. and (slightly bias) i'd like to believe that hiruma&mamori are together..

with all that said, i dont think kubo would pull a 'that person's with that person' (#2), then just brush it off. bcoz reading bleach, he put a lot into developing his characters, so i think he'd at least give them proper stories/development behind the coupling.

then again, there's always a probability that he'd just totally ignore us maniac shippers and just kill everyone. but i dont think he'd do that either, bcos, just look at the volume poems; (ok this a stereotyping BUT) who can sprout out shit like that and not be a romanticist? //note: romanticism refers to all those stuff about chivalry, love, pride, what-f-ever.// =P

(trying) to answer your question, if i were to predict/guess what's going to happen in manga, i'd say ichigo&rukia; i'm not sure if this is bias or not; yes, they're my favourite couple, but how do they become one in the first place? i read the manga, and they just appeal to me, and i felt like they have something, y'know..as i was reading it w/out biasing, so.
and, as many would like to compare ichigo&rukia or ichigo&inoue, i'd say i'm leaning for ichi/rukia right now..but if someday (who knows? myb 7.3 yrs from now) kubo would say that ichi ended up with inoue, well then that's how it is..we'll have to see further into the story. but for now, for now, i, for one, is saying ichigo&rukia.
again, individual guesses are just guesses. but you asked, i answer XDD
littlemeantiger on December 5th, 2009 02:16 pm (UTC)
I know I'm being off-topic, but bear with me.

Your icon is beau~tifu. *makes wonderweiss impression*
qwirky on December 5th, 2009 08:46 am (UTC)
Honestly, if you've read the entire manga and can't tell what pairings Kubo favors, then I'm not sure that anything anyone says or does will "convince" you. I am "biased" towards certain pairings, but in the case of Bleach, that's because they're supported by canon.

Since you're asking for arguments, that indicates you think there IS a definitive answer regarding pairings. But I'm not sure if you're asking for responses only from people who don't "ship" any pairing whatsoever (or, alternately, are open to all pairings). No one is without bias. However, one can acknowledge that one has biases and still read, understand, and interpret works without being "controlled" by those biases. For example, Bleach canonically has many one-sided romantic feelings. I don't personally care for many of them (my bias), but I acknowledge that they exist (my bias doesn't control my understanding of canon). Though Bleach isn't focused on romance, the series has an awful lot of romance (or lack thereof, with the large number of unrequited feelings going on) in it. I think not acknowledging those romantic feelings is bias in of itself - to not acknowledge romantic feelings when those feelings are canon is to be biased against romantic pairings.

The anime has done many things that aren't approved by Kubo; it's based on his work, but he doesn't control what the anime writers do. Kubo's only real involvement with the anime (outside of character designs) has been with the third movie, Fade to Black. He's also not involved with any of the musicals, though he is going to be involved with the Code: 003 musical that's coming up. You say you haven't read any of his interviews - I think you should, at least to see how he approaches the topic and how he views his involvement with Fade to Black.

The pairing that I am convinced will happen is Ichigo/Rukia. Yes, that is my main pairing of choice in Bleach, so I may be considered "biased" in your opinion. To explain my reasoning for why Ichigo/Rukia will happen would be to repeat a lot of arguments that you may have already read. I know an argument is what you're asking for, but my point in replying is not to give you that argument; it's instead to point out that since we don't know what you have read or how you define "bias," arguing a certain pairing may be a pointless or a repetitive endeavor. Again, you've said you have read the manga, so if you aren't "biased" yourself, then I think it's pretty clear which pairings Kubo prefers.

None of us are mind-readers; none of us are Kubo. And it's true that just because Kubo likes certain pairings over others doesn't mean he'll have them happen. It's always a possibility that Kubo will end the series with no definitive pairings, though based on the manga and his involvement with Fade to Black, an "open ending" for Ichigo/Rukia, at least, seems unlikely. I don't mean to suggest that Ichigo and Rukia will be married with a lot of kids by the series' end however much I might want it - a simple acknowledgment of feelings may very well be all we get. However, Ichigo/Rukia is the focal relationship of the series; if Ichigo/Rukia is not resolved, then I doubt any other pairing will happen - certainly no other relationship among the six nakama will occur, and definitely Ichigo and Rukia will not be paired up with anyone else. As for other pairings, I think Ishida/Inoue is likely, Urahara/Yoruichi is already happening, and Hitsugaya/Hinamori will probably happen. My bias disclaimers: I like Urahara/Yoruichi, I like Ishida/Inoue, and I don't care for Hitsugaya/Hinamori.

There are also other theoretically possible, though pretty much implausible "what if" scenarios, such as Kubo loses his mind and decides to disregard the integrity of his series and has everyone end up in threesomes. (Which would be good news for many characters!)

Basically, I think you need to explain more about what you've read, why you weren't convinced, and what you've taken away from the series so far. Maybe you won't be convinced no matter what anyone says.
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廚二病chuuni on December 5th, 2009 09:54 am (UTC)
What I’m looking for, are people who are not bias toward a certain ship and tell me why you think it is going to happen in canon.

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marvellous monster: snow whitefikuz on December 5th, 2009 01:07 pm (UTC)
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bleach_odbleach_od on December 5th, 2009 12:04 pm (UTC)
You're not going to find what you are looking for. Because...
When you love a ship you have a certain bias towards rivals

I think you should look for people who can get past their bias and still listen to the veiws of others. Acknowleding when the person has a valid point. Otherwise....I dont think it's gonna happen. Can you tell what ship? Is it Bleach...

I will tell you why I think IchiRuki is canon. Then I will tell you how I determine if the couple is canon.

Because I separate my feelings. I do admit my views were tainted a bit when I was an Orihime hater. Now that she has changed. I like her. I still can't help laughing at the other guys...and what I perceive as her failure. (Old habits die hard)

bleach_odbleach_od on December 5th, 2009 12:14 pm (UTC)
How I decided if a ship is "Canon" or" Fanon"
Tomorrow. I am tired...this is how I determine if the couple is canon---


-- in anime and manga, the canon couple. Whether acknowledged or not follow the same consistent pattern

-They reconcile trouble pasts with each other. Or share it with each other
-They will have a POSITIVE impact on the other
-They will be questioned about their feelings for each other. They will each question their feelings for the other. Or question each other. Or will state it. It will be shown both ways. Both of them will have said they care for the other..

-It will be shown they are on the others mind or one will think about his feelings for her
-There will always be parallelism with Canon Couples moments and One half and a potential. Yet there will be a noted difference in Canon Couples moments


For instance...IchiHime has none of that. It's a little deeper but that's it in a nutshell.

you were to examine every ship I ever took the time to write about. You would notice that I am able point out this same consistent pattern. Because it's the pattern that says CANON...whether openly acknowledged or not....( (IchiHime)

Without that formula. The ship will sink, or it will never leave the harbor. The passengers may get on board but it's going nowhere

I am outta here been up all night. I hoped that helped

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regasssa: Laptopregasssa on December 5th, 2009 12:18 pm (UTC)
*does not agree with other people*

I have a preference for Ishihime, but I don't ship it, and I don't care if there is or isn't romance in Bleach.

But I also don't think that any person, shipper or otherwise, will be able to tell you who's going to end up with who, because they aren't Kubo and he's not talking.

I think, personally, that Kubo is laying it on thick for Orihime and Ichigo to be doomed for failure, but I'd also like to point out my most elementary argument against Rukia is that she's eighty years older than him and he's still a teenaged boy with a real life and real friends that he's been blatantly ignoring.

I've seen my last four fandoms ruined by shipping wars - Merlin, Star Trek, Harry Potter, Buffy in backwards order - because people can get very mouthy about the pairing they support. Personally, I love the canon so much that I'll adore whatever happens, which is why it baffles me to hear people say things like 'Kubo, what are you smoking' after every spoiler post.

So frankly my standpoint is unbiased, because I want to see, whatever happens, and my opinion is that we can't know until it does.
Anna: !!!!! + !!!!! + !!!!!kookiety on December 5th, 2009 12:55 pm (UTC)
I agree with your comment.
I think, personally, that Kubo is laying it on thick for Orihime and Ichigo to be doomed for failure, but I'd also like to point out my most elementary argument against Rukia is that she's eighty years older than him and he's still a teenaged boy with a real life and real friends that he's been blatantly ignoring.
Yes. Which to me is 'anything is possible if Kubo wants it to be possible' because cleverly placed logic will negate each ship.

people can get very mouthy about the pairing they support. Personally, I love the canon so much that I'll adore whatever happens, which is why it baffles me to hear people say things like 'Kubo, what are you smoking' after every spoiler post.
Oh God. Yes yes yes.

(The what are you smoking actually pleases me. I love a fandom that can adore Kubo and also think he's positively cracked. It would worry me if everyone went 'Kubo is God!' I love the 'he's mad but we love him', prevents it from being too serious. Serious and fandom baffles me.)


You mentioned Merlin and I wanted to laugh.
Oh Merlin - that - shipping. There is not much continuity between episodes and in one they show and in the other it's ignored and - wat. Oh Merlin.
I haven't really charged into the Merlin fandom apart from a few communities so I haven't a clue, but since I've been picking it apart trying to figure out what they want to show - I found your comment amusing.
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The Main Gauche of Enlightenmentvelvetsword on December 5th, 2009 12:24 pm (UTC)
Byakuya/Hisana is the OTP of Bleach and I will have no arguments to the contrary.
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Here, here.
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Anna: Bleach <3kookiety on December 5th, 2009 12:46 pm (UTC)
I have absoulutely no bias towards any pairing and favour the 'wrap them all together with a big red bow' so I feel obligated to reply.


It's terribly safe to say that Kubo has shown Ichigo/Rukia to be more than friends. Anything else will be misconstrued as donning shipping goggles.

In a similar vein, Renji is shown to have more than friendly feelings towards Rukia. Whether those feelings have morphed into something more or something less is - debatable.
But, I don't see there being much of Rukia eyeing Renji as anything more than a friend. So this could be one of those one-sided romances that never get sorted out.

Speaking of one-sided Ichigo-Orihime. Now, Orihime's loving confession pretty much sealed all the shippers opinion, but I think she came off as slightly hero-worshipful instead of 'a love that outlasts centuries', which - bothers me. I wouldn't call Orihime's love one-sided as much as - overblown.
(I'm going to be shot for that comment, aren't I? Oh dear)
I do like Orihime and my heart feels for her every time she vows and tries to be stronger and fails, but - yeah.

Ichigo, to be fair, is too focussed on being the hero to actually consider romantic flings, maybe, maybe when he's not saving/going-nuts he'd think of any of the women, but so far all I see is him being oblivious.
He would go through to hell to save any of his friends. It wasn't Rukia or Orihime specifically, kidnap Ishida he'd come running, same with Renji, even Byakuya, Toshiro - you see? He's too much of a hero, too keen to protect anyone and 'saving' does not constitute as love as much as it does 'very strong feelings'.

Whenever a manga shows a definite ship, fangirls react. I think it's smart to play it safe and open.
Especially with Bleach where there is not just one pairing that needs confirming (like in FMA) but instead a bunch of tangled threads that need sorting out. Confirming one ship as canon now will cause fangirl raaaaaaaage unless it's slowly shown how 'so and so is not right for so and so'.

Yes, the 'they all happily walked off into the sunset as a band of friends' seems favourable because well - Ichigo is still a bloody teenager (so is Orihime and Ishida) and I don't know about others, but as a teenager I wouldn't say I was old enough to differentiate between twu-wuv love and really strong feelings.

And since Renji and Rukia are far from teenagers, them being lopped off together would make sense - but I don't see there being much sense in love, so there goes that ship into the 'you never know vat'.

Now to shove in last-minute logic, Rukia is old in comparison to Ichigo, and she's also dead (well Ichigo is also dead-what-erm) - boom goes that ship.
But, if Kubo wishes to ship it he may as well for all the complications it'll cause.

Basically - anything possible, any ship possible and I just watch and wait for what Kubo wants to show.


I predict/wish to see :
All together, alive (or dead), safe, happily ever after, with no shipping being shown and lots of sun and smiling and dogs and stuff toys and yadaya.
I figure that ending will make everyone happy.. hmm?
Sharon: Bleach - RenIchi kissstopwatch_plz on December 5th, 2009 01:18 pm (UTC)
But, I don't see there being much of Rukia eyeing Renji as anything more than a friend. So this could be one of those one-sided romances that never get sorted out.

This. I think if Kubo was going to make anything of them he'd have done it by now - also, I have the feeling that Rukia sees Renji more as family than anything. Renji is very protective of anyone he cares about and I see parallels in the way both he and Byakuya feel about Rukia.

Out of any ship, I think Ichigo/Rukia would be the only one possible, but then only when Ichigo loses his mortal body and goes to SS (get away, fic bunnies! Shoo! *lol*) We've been shown that people can get recognised by family members there (Hisana/Byakuya/Rukia) so why not again? That's about the only way I can see anything like that happening.

But yeah, I want them going off into the sunset, all happy and fully clothed, not bleeding and looking like they've actually eaten in the past week *grin*

Now I'm going to go back into fandom!world and pretend all my boys are going to live happily ever after ;-)
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