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07 October 2009 @ 02:19 pm
Doodles from vol16  
Yup, back from then, and thanks to Annie who've told me. Deb asked me to post that here - I originally posted in the IchiRuki FC.

[ch133 to 136, click on thumbnails to enlarge the pics].

As everyone must [or not] remember, these doodles are for the Memories in the Rain 2 flashbacks, with Rukia killing Kaien [I hope that's not a spoiler anymore XD]. Those are very sad doodles... let me get to my point.

You know, seeing all this black made me think about the black page Kubo used at the end of ch56, when Rukia was taken away and it left Ichigo in such despair. I remember that right after that, Ichigo had suicidal tendencies, as pointed by Urahara - he didn't want to be saved, etc.

Then you see that despair again in Rukia's doodles - Kaien is her moon, then it clouded to finally disappeared - and there was no one anymore once she tried to reach that light.
Interestingly enough, Rukia is herself like a Moon, she became that light for Ichigo... and Ichigo became a dazzling sun, returning light and life to her right in ch01, allowing her to glow like a moon - that needs the sun to reflect the light. But, unlike KaiRuki that was bittersweet because it was all one-sided, the mutuality in the IchiRuki relationship allows her to be the light of that special person now.

And now, we have yet again those black pages for Ichigo who just lost his identity. I mean, considering that Kubo said that Rukia was Ichigo's light, of course I think she will have to play an important role - later on, when she'll be healed. Those black pages show utter despair, but those always get healed - that is one theme for Bleach.

As Annie told me, it looks like the Moon is, in Kubo's mind, the one thing that lights the path of someone.
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_debbiechan_: bleach_debbiechan_ on October 7th, 2009 12:37 pm (UTC)

Thanks for this, Syn. The comparison to the doodles from vol 41 (in this post here) is amazing. I love Kubo's use of white on black and again the connection of Ichigo to Rukia.

I'm concerned, though. The doodles of Ichigo's shinigami badge being destroyed were so heartbreaking--are we going to see an emotional devastation in Ichigo on a par of what Rukia when through Kaien? After all they both stabbed someone they cared for, but thank goodness Ichigo didn't kill Ishida. Only Ichigo had malicious intent--that makes it baaaaad.

I'm still wondering how Ichigo is going to have his Shinigami identity restored and if the person who gave it to him in the first place will play a significant role. I bet she will.
Grenatescarboucle on October 7th, 2009 12:41 pm (UTC)
I'm also wondering if Isshin won't be helping on that matter, since it makes Ichigo neing a true shinigami and all and Ichigo should heal on the next big arc - the one centered around Isshin.

But yeah, I've always thought that Rukia ought to face hollow!Ichigo one day. In the far future. I bet she'll play a role then.
theinkmonkeytheinkmonkey on October 7th, 2009 01:12 pm (UTC)
Yes to Rukia having to face his hollow someday. I won't be surprised if it'll be an extremely touching or gripping scene - In her "that's the kind of man you are in my heart" speech quite some time ago, the way I see it she already verbally confronted him about one of the things he fears most - being completely taken over and controlled by his own hollow. That bit really moved me - she was so confident that he was strong enough to suppress the monster within himself, something Rukia hasn't even properly witnessed at all in the manga.

(I doubt she'll be as terrified as Orihime was when she saw Ichigo's hollow mask in the battle with Grimmjow. We can definitely expect a very, very different reaction from Rukia, and I'm eagerly anticipating a wonderful surprise from Kubo-sensei when it actually happens in the manga ^^)

She never needed to see the things that weighed on Ichigo's heart for her to confront him about them. It's really lovely, this bond they have.

But hey, maybe that's me being suddenly too emotional. Oh, and let's not forget that Isshin's going to play a large role in the future! :) I remember reading that somewhere recently on this comm but correct me if I'm wrong. Ichigo has yet to see his own father's badassery, no? :D
Grenatescarboucle on October 7th, 2009 01:17 pm (UTC)
Yes, he has no clue that Isshin is a shinigami XD
aeri: ichirenruki // death and all his friendsiluxe_love on October 7th, 2009 09:38 pm (UTC)
Yes, I'm still waiting very eagerly for Ichigo to confront Isshin-as-a-shinigami. I really want to know more about Isshin's past!!!

But even more so, I can't wait for Rukia to see Ichigo's hollow form. I think you're 100% right when you say that we can definitely expect a very different reaction from Rukia than Orihime. It'll be a great moment, I'm sure of it!

She never needed to see the things that weighed on Ichigo's heart for her to confront him about them.
So true.
Kylara: squeeeekarenai on October 7th, 2009 01:51 pm (UTC)
This is such a damn clever observation. I love it.

Ichigo and Rukia, for me, are given paralleled tragedies because then they can empathize with each other over them - it's not sympathy or pity, but a kind of honest and equal understanding. There's something I really admire in that, and I constantly thank Kubo when he does things like this.
『ミカオル』 ☆: risa_omgyayyymikaoru on October 7th, 2009 03:51 pm (UTC)
Kubo never ceases to amaze me
bluffee on October 8th, 2009 11:05 am (UTC)
These black-page doodles from vol.16 are also those that I first remembered when I saw the post about doodles on vol.41--but man, I never knew that there would be so much more meaning to it that I've thought, not until I've read this essay. Very nice (:

Maybe it's true, that Kubo sees the Moon as one's light in life, or to a path that leads elsewhere, especially when things start to dim. As much as Rukia's been referred to as Ichigo's Moon, the moon/moonlight has noticably been in most volume poems, too.

As Annie told me, it looks like the Moon is, in Kubo's mind, the one thing that lights the path of someone.
This here is a nice idea. :D

Nice post! It keeps me loving Bleach and Kubo so much more. ;DD
pointy2007 on October 8th, 2009 05:09 pm (UTC)
I think you're reading a little too much into these pictures. They do represent Rukia and Kaien, it was their flashback and I think it's a sweet representaion, but I think it's too much of a leap to suggest Ichigo as well. The pictures show water, the moon, a cloudied moon and then the moon disappearing. Rukia was alone, met Kaien and "felt right", Then he fought the hollow and became possessed i.e. either he or her opinion of him became cloudy, and finally she was left alone.
When extending the theory to Ichigo you suggest Kaien is represented by the moon. Then Rukia. Rukia reflects light, then gives it. Ichigo is Rukia's sun but then use Kubo's quote to show that Rukia is Ichigo's light. And connecting the black pages doesn't make sense as there are quite a few places that Kubo Tite has done so. It's too contradictory and made to fit.
I do think Rukia is or if not is then one of Ichigo's most important people, but I just don't think that Kubo is thinking in suns and moons. Their relationship is shown in many different ways with other symbols.

[Plus i'd say that if we were doing an analysis of moons and their symbolism in Bleach Renji would have to be included. He has the most direct association, chasing the reflection of the moon trying to reach the unreachable.Though this too is unrealted to Kaien and Rukia.]
Grenat: virgoescarboucle on October 10th, 2009 09:47 pm (UTC)
Err, I don't think they represent Ichigo at all ~___~ I first wrote this in the IchiRuki FC, which is why I delved into the Ichigo subject, the fact that Rukia is Ichigo's moon etc.

And those doodles aren't sweet, they're really, really sad and showing Rukia's despair ~___~

I was drawing a parallel between Rukia when she lost her moon at that time - Kaien, whom she killed - and Ichigo's situation right now - because they are both broken, desperate, sad. In no way though I was thinking 'hey, look, they're connected through doodles'. It's a connection to how they feel.

And then babblered about Rukia being Ichigo's moon, the light that can guide him out of darkness and all. Sorry if it was confusing _o/ I truly think though, as Annie said, that for Kubo the moonlight is the one that guides - the sun doesn't guide in the darkness, it's simply not there, while the moon is the one who guides the lost souls, that's the poetic connotation you can have.

I was just thinking that Ichigo is the sun that Rukia needed to shine, because heck, he gave her back that normalcy right on spot in ch01, and immediately they were able to be themselves again when they were both so broken before.

[If you think about it, Aizen also has the moon in his shikai, yet it's a misguiding one, one that creates illusions.]
pointy2007 on October 11th, 2009 08:43 am (UTC)
Ah, I just couldn't see the link between the first and second half of your post thinking it was a big leap in logic. I've seen so many arguments for certain pairings that just don't make any sense and are taken as definite proof11! I think the way I was reading it was that the Rukia, Ichigo moon thing was a theme used in the manga not as you were suggesting a way to think of the couple.
It makes a bit more sense in your comment though thanks for clarifiying.

(and I was going to say poignient instead of sweet but couldn't remember how to spell it so switched)