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15 September 2009 @ 10:55 pm
An IchiHime shipping attempt: Fail  
Here are 13 simple reasons for why IchiHime wins and IchiRuki fails.  I found these posted by one IchiHime fan on YouTube and decided to respond for the sake of LoLs.

Disclaimer: The reasons are copied and pasted. I purposely did not correct the spelling mistakes.

I am not an IchiRuki shipper. But, I ship UlquiHime.

1.rukia has known renji forever and theve sorta had sum chemistry

Rukia also has chemistry with Ichigo. They are on the first name basis, which indicates a level of intimacy in the Japanese culture. They constantly bicker, which is one of the most commonly used premises for romantic relationships in shoujo/romance manga. Hell, even shonen manga has romance WITH bickering. Example: Inuyasha, DN Angel. The fact that she has chemistry with one, does not negate her chemistry with another.

2.renji loves rukia and rukia realy likes renji

Perhaps Renji loves Rukia. There is no evidence in manga that Rukia is romantically interested in Renji.

3.renji saved rukia and they grew up together so their more likely to be together

Ichigo saved Tatsuki, and they grew up together. So, by your logic they are likely to be together...?

4.ichigo and rukia arnt like a couple

I am not even going to dignify this with a proper response.

5.ichigo and rukia are more like a disfunctional family then a couple

Are you also gonna argue that they act like cousins because Rukia calls Ichigo's dad "uncle"? 

6.ichigo and rukia are more like brother and sister

So, are you saying that every couple that bickers are like brother and sister? Have I mentioned that bickering = potential romance?

7.ichigo loves orihime now

Yes, sparky. His love is very evident when he turns into a hollow and sends her flying on her face, or when he tells her that she is not "that fat", with her rear centimeters away from his face. You're an expert at romance.

8.orihime has already told ichigo she loves him

And Ichigo never told her that he loves her back. Are we supposed to assume that Orihime's feelings are more important than Ichigo's? Grats, you just gave her yet another get-out-of-trouble card. With so many excuses, Orihime doesn't even need to be on the show.

9.rukia never told ichigo she loves him and ichigo never sed that to her

So are you saying that people can't love each other unless they verbally confess? No, seriously....you didn't just say that, did you?

10.ichigo got so close to be killed by ulquiorra several times and he kept coming to save orihime

Ichigo got very close to being killed by Kenpachi, Byakuya, Renji, The entire Soul Society wanted a piece of him. Yet, he never gave up on saving Rukia. By your logic, he loves Rukia.....oh wait....you're trying to prove that he loves Orihime. Silly, me!

11.even when ichigos hollow took over in the fight with ulqui it only wanted to save orihime becuase that was all ichigo cared about

Checking.....checking.......he tried to save her by......kicking her so she landed on her face.......he stabbed Ishida in his gut....you know, the good guy Ishida who is his friend.    Apparently, "saving"  to you means something other than what it does in the realm of normal.

12.ichigo and orihime make a better couple then ichigo and rukia

Through a dependency complex and unleashing inner horrors on their friends? Not to mention the whole business of aesthetic appeal, where they look like siblings by having the same hair color of different shades of orange.

13.i know u people think that since rukia was i think the first soul reaper he met that was a girl they would be a couple

No, we don't think it for that reason. We believe it because Kubo gave a lot of clues of IchiRuki in the manga. You know....the actual evidence....a term alien to you.

I don't think a final commentary is necessary. Everything is pretty self explanatory.



selenityshiroiselenityshiroi on September 16th, 2009 06:12 am (UTC)
I'd just like to add that, yes, Renji loves Rukia. But who ever said that it was romantic? They grew up together and took care of each other. There is just as much evidence that THEY are the ones who have the brother/sister relationship.

(In fact, it adds an interesting twist to Renji's desire to defeat Byakuya if you think of Renji as Rukia's 'elder brother'. Renji pretty much handed her over to Byakuya at the Academy and Byakuya has the resources to be a far better older brother to Rukia than Renji...and yet Byakuya squandered the opportunity for so long when Renji would have, emotionally, been far better for her.)

Not that I'm fully convinced that Renji has no romantic interesting in Rukia-I'm pretty torn on that subject. But there's far more evidence that Renji is Rukia's elder brother figure than Ichigo is.
nehalenia: renji bankai babynehalenia on September 16th, 2009 06:45 am (UTC)
Hmm, good points. I've never given much thought to the Renji/Rukia relationship, other than the obvious, that they care very deeply for each other, but they certainly do have a close bond. The manga provides instances that make me think Renji's feelings for Rukia could have a sexual component -- in the Rukongai when everyone seems to realize 'Rukia's a GIRL!', in the Academy days when Renji is looking out for Rukia in the woods, when he becomes a lieutenant and the implication is that now he's high enough level to approach her once more -- but there are other instances where I get much more a brother/sister vibe: when she's in the 6th Div holding cell and Renji comes tromping in barefoot in a flowered yukata (not the way I'd probably go see someone I was interested in) and they taunt each other, and then in HM where they take turns smacking Ichigo upside the face.

Knowing Kubo, he could well be showing us these ambiguous scenes to imply that Renji's own feelings are ambiguous, that Renji himself doesn't quite know what he wants their relationship to be. It may also be a situation where Renji would like a romantic relationship with Rukia but is too unsure of himself (or feels too unworthy) to push for it, fearing that if she rejected him romantically, he'd lose her friendship as well.
An IchiHime shipping attempt: Fail - selenityshiroi on September 16th, 2009 07:36 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - jaina on September 16th, 2009 01:41 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Kylara: rory cryingkarenai on September 16th, 2009 06:32 am (UTC)
Hey, do you think you could put the reasons under a cut? That way people don't have to scroll so far to see the next post. :)

and lol @ your intro. So you're not IchiRuki but Ulquihime? I think I've heard a different variation of that somewhere ;)

Oh, and for the record. I think Renji loves Rukia, but as for her feelings for him being romantic? If she ever had romantic feelings for him, it would have been during the Academy, when they were becoming adults. Right after, she's adopted and shipped off to division 13, where she falls in love with Kaien from the beginning. Had she had romantic feelings for Renji, I would have expected to see a mental conflict or worry about having romantic feelings for two men, but there is none. Renji is not in her thoughts much at all. You can argue that Rukia was traumatized or that her feelings for Kaien weren't really love and she was just idolizing him while he was the one nearby... but it isn't the stronger of the two interpretations.

Edited at 2009-09-16 06:34 am (UTC)
yulieana on September 16th, 2009 06:44 am (UTC)
I support IchiRuki, but UlquiHime is my one-true love.

PS: If only I knew now to cut it......still trying to figure out how this site works.
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yulieana on September 16th, 2009 07:16 am (UTC)
DN Angel is deemed to have hints of shonen-ai.
manonlechat: SnarkInuyashamanonlechat on September 16th, 2009 07:36 am (UTC)
Kind of shooting fish in a barrel with this one, don't you think?

Ichigo saved Tatsuki, and they grew up together. So, by your logic they are likely to be together...?

Man, I wish that WERE the case.

Perhaps I shall write an essay in support of it, referencing Freud, Angela Davis, Simone de Beauvoir, the eighteenth-century œuvre of Antoine Watteau, Stephanie Meyer, the early Japanese narrative 竹取物語 (aka. Taketori Monogatari or "THE TALE OF THE BAMBOO CUTTER"), and issues 236-307 of the classic comic Rulah, Jungle Goddess.

Totally canon.
Kylarakarenai on September 16th, 2009 04:29 pm (UTC)
//Perhaps I shall write an essay in support of it, referencing Freud, Angela Davis, Simone de Beauvoir, the eighteenth-century œuvre of Antoine Watteau, Stephanie Meyer, the early Japanese narrative 竹取物語 (aka. Taketori Monogatari or "THE TALE OF THE BAMBOO CUTTER"), and issues 236-307 of the classic comic Rulah, Jungle Goddess.//

This makes me wonder why the Twilight/Bleach essay HASN'T happened yet. Oh god.
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Grenatescarboucle on September 16th, 2009 08:01 am (UTC)
Ha, YT, the doom of fandom - I've so much stupidity in the comments that I've stopped reading them altogether... and I mostly watch music clips, not really AMVs!

Renji's love for Rukia - yes, it's romantic, and at the same time, it has such an older brother feeling, doesn't it? I never know what to think about it myself, and I keep going on and forth. I think it's because he made peace with his own feelings after the SS arc, where you see that he accepted Ichigo and Rukia's bond with him. He's fine the way it is, as I see it, he doesn't try to purchase Rukia anymore, which gives off that brother vibe.
From Rukia, it's evident that he's family for her, the brother kind - ch269 pretty much proved that. I remember when I saw her flashbacks, I thought 'uh Renji, you're so doomed'.

As for the bickering couples in shounen, well, I'd say that it's the norm - even in shoujo it happens a damn lot. The quiet lovely girl rarely gets the guy. It's because you bicker that you're close - it's such a Japanese mentality, so don't expect mangaka to think otherwise.
(Anonymous) on September 16th, 2009 10:45 am (UTC)
A comment from PerennialLurker
I was on here reading all the wonderful responses to my essay and saw this. Seriously, I like Ichihime, but sometimes the fans make me cringe. For every good reason to ship a couple, there are a hundred bad ones, usually shouted loudly to the fandom by someone who can't spell. That said, one does not discredit the ship itself by posting this, because along with the good arguments, I've seen hundreds of equally stupid reasons for shipping Ichiruki.

Your post was funny though. Well done.
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on September 16th, 2009 11:43 am (UTC)
Re: A comment from PerennialLurker

moderator's note:

I'll have to agree with this.

YouTube and CrunchyRoll and places of the sort are teeming with this sort of nyah nyah and thoughtless discussion.

I'll let this post stand but I'd rather people didn't copy thoughtless arguments from other places just to make fun of them.
Re: A comment from PerennialLurker - jaina on September 16th, 2009 11:49 am (UTC) (Expand)
V to the A to the D-E-R (Vader!)jaina on September 16th, 2009 11:47 am (UTC)
I'm REALLY tempted to call the OP of this list a troll, since it reads a lot like how I would expect a sockpuppet list to read...but the internet really does crap out people like this from time to time.
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on September 16th, 2009 12:40 pm (UTC)

The OP is from YouTube--I think that says enough. The poster here on bleachness is someone new to the fandom, so I believe fair warning about what sort of things go and don't go on this community is enough. We don't do nyah nyah if we can help it on bleachness and while we have a great affection for our members for whom English isn't a first language, spelling and grammar count--because we're all trying to understand each other here.

As for YouTube, I've gotten to where I can't even look at AMVs unless someone recs one because the shipper comments make me mourn for the human race.
(no subject) - jaina on September 16th, 2009 01:20 pm (UTC) (Expand)
xmurcielagox on September 16th, 2009 01:33 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't deny Renji/Rukia they have a bond but I feel like over time their relationship went from childhood friends---->crush---->understanding. I think Rukia faded away from Renji once Ichigo came into the picture. Renji was still "crushing" on her when he came to fetch her with Byakuya but once he saw what Ichigo meant to her he let her go. He still shows signs of his crush on her but I think he understand the bond that Ichigo and Rukia have with one another so he backs off.
(Anonymous) on September 16th, 2009 02:35 pm (UTC)
Gosh....I just love your comments!!! The Irony....LOL.... You're freaking genius... XD Aahh...Marry me, pliss....
r0ck3tsci3ntist - sorry, kiddingr0ck3tsci3ntist on September 16th, 2009 02:44 pm (UTC)
Contrary to what a lot of people would like to believe, I think Renji DOES love Rukia and I think at one time Rukia would have been ready to love him back but he blew it when he let her go with Byakuya and that's that.

For a long time they were estranged and barely even friends because Rukia felt so betrayed. SS arc brought them back together but by then Rukia had met Ichigo and didn't want to go back to her old feelings for Renji because, while she cared for him and had finally forgiven him, there was too much water under the bridge.

Plus suddenly there was this Ichigo guy, who was turning out to be VERY interesting...

Anyway, that's my take on it.

And personally, I would have nothing against Ichigo and Orihime if I didn't hate the way Orihime acts when she's around him and the way Ichigo seems to really have only thinly veiled derision for her. It's a bit sad really, because I like Orihime and I wish she would grow up some. She's really better than than that, to waste her love on someone who doesn't love her back.

I'm not an Ichi/Ruki shipper mostly because I just don't care enough who Ichigo ends up with to get worked up about it - but of all the people in Bleach whom he cares about, it's clear that Rukia holds the top spot and that they definitely have feelings for each other. I think Rukia just wants to see Ichigo develop some maturity before she will allow it to move to the next level. After all, she IS older than him (and I have no problem with that).

As for that UTube post - it r dum.
yulieana on September 16th, 2009 03:35 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't mind IchiHime either if Kubo actually made them likable together. For that, he would have to completely change their personalities and their sphere of influence. After 373 chapters he won't do it. Liking them just because they look "cute" together, or because she likes him, is not enough to ship them in my opinion.
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敬pikeish on September 16th, 2009 07:00 pm (UTC)
I honestly do not get the logic of the poster. What has RenRuki have to do with IchiHime? O.O

We have Renji ---> Rukia........... so that means IchiHime is canon?? (WTH???)

and LOL again at how IchiHime is canon because of Inoue's confession. Wow, just WOW. XDDDDD!!! Inoue loves Ichigo, therefore IchiHime is canon because all that matters is Inoue. Never mind how Ichigo might feel, as long as Inoue loves him and confessed to him (which he didn't hear), IchiHime will happen :elmo

One sided confessions = canon-dom :elmo okay, I get it IchiRuki is doomed :elmo
yulieana on September 16th, 2009 07:02 pm (UTC)
There is no connection between RukiRenji and IchiHime. And neither was it hinted that there is.
(no subject) - jaina on September 16th, 2009 07:30 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - karenai on September 16th, 2009 07:37 pm (UTC) (Expand)
n a o k o || want your rad bromance: TeslaHime- Look at usnendo_chan on September 16th, 2009 07:57 pm (UTC)
xD I don't ship IchiHime at all, but not all the fans are this utterly banal. Shipping peace?
(Anonymous) on September 16th, 2009 10:36 pm (UTC)
in general
Pleeease, ichiruki/ichiulqui fans! Just be above it and shrug these dumb arguments of (some/a part/whatever) the ichihime fans off... I know I don't have to read them and I don't do... that often, cough... yeah I like fandom essays... and I know Bleach has little topics that offer continuous hints (which are then fun to dedect)in the long runnig to predict future development... or perhaps there are, but I don't see them- yeah, work with that! PLEAASE??!!
Because, isn't the general scheme of anti-ichihime essays:

some ichihime fan -writes something obvious dumb-

himexsomone else fan -arguments long and thoughtful how obvious dumb it was (which is true)
and makes arguments for his own ship-

... in my opinion, just drop the rebuttal of the obvious wrong. It saves time. And for substitute-entertainment: Write P0rn instead ;P
regards- anonymous non-shipper (and I mean NON-SHIPPER not trolling ichihime fan!)
And Sorry for bad English
r0ck3tsci3ntist - sorry, kidding: Ulquiorrar0ck3tsci3ntist on September 17th, 2009 01:02 pm (UTC)
And for substitute-entertainment: Write P0rn instead

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yulieana on September 17th, 2009 01:12 am (UTC)
Yep, it's Asian culture. I am Russian, we have the exact same thing. I always call my friends' parents "aunt" or "uncle".

I agree with what you said about Renji, Ichigo, and Rukia. Seems like Renji was on a jealousy/anger rampage when he found out that Rukia gave her powers to Ichigo and was put on a death row for that.

About UlqiHime.... I swear to god....if she ever calls him Ulquiorra-KUN, Ulqui-Kun, or any type of KUN.... *murderous intent*
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Shinigami_Lucia: Rukia&Konshinigami_lucia on September 17th, 2009 05:06 am (UTC)
I think Rukia did have a crush on Kaien, probably stemming from him being nice to her and paying attention to her while others aren't. But I don't think her feelings are extreme to the point of obsessiveness or debilitating to her character. I think it's a purely positive feeling and also, not in a sexual way.

As for the Renji/Rukia relationship...I think it's one-sided. I think Renji likes Rukia in a romantic way, but I don't believe she reciprocate that feeling. I don't see anything in the manga to suggest that she does. In addition, Rukia's flashback on ch269 proved that she doesn't see him in a romantic way.