ETA: Looks like I'VE BEEN TROLLED, LOL, by a particularly nutberry IchiOri shipper who likes to inflitrate other peoples' LJs pretending to be an IchiRuki shipper and "planting seeds of doubt" about the IchiRuki ship ... maybe. It's hard to unravel through the intricate fucked-up girl-motives of this thing. In any event, I'm off to a dr's appt and I wanted to respond to the OP after I came back and then I considered deleting this entire post but I'm going to leave it up for posterity and evidence of what sort of nutberry IchiOri fans I deal with on a constant basis.
It happens to all shippers--we have anxieties about what the merchandising and business people. let alone the manga-ka, are doing to antagonize shipper doubts and delay an audience's certainty of a plot outcome. It matters so much that our feelings are being manipulated by others. Maybe one day I'll look more into this aspect of shipper psychology, but for right now, I want to call attention to a series of anonymous comments made to a recent post in bleachness --the anon commenter obviously doesn't have an LJ account and would've made a separate post, I believe, so I'm reproducing his/her words here under the lj-cut. I'll answer eventually but maybe some of you might have some answers for Anon. Warning: Shipping
COMMENTS BY ANON:
I apologize by advance for posting something unrelated to your post but I don’t know another manner to be heard by Debbiechan who is according to me a great and perceptive fan of Ichiruki . Help me, unfortunately I can’t post in fan clubs or other threads because of personal reasons. I read the Ichiruki Fc at Bleach Asylum Forums and as you are a fan of Ichiruki like me (in fact I am a fan of Ichiruki and Ichihime) I wanted to ask you a question which has tormented my mind lately :do you think that Studio Pierrot, Kubo Tite and the seiyuus are using the Ichiruki couple as a confidence trick? I won’t have asked you this question before two years but now I just wonder. I will explain, we all know that Ichigo and Rukia as a couple is very popular in Japan , so now that the focus is on Ichigo and Orihime it seems that Bleach has lost some part of its popularity .I read somewhere that the manga in the Hueco Mundo arc and mostly the volume 32(Ichigo and Grimjaw fight )didn’t sell well in Japan and for some time during the anime the focus was on Ichigo and Orihime with the hand holding scene of episode 167.My conclusion about that is that the author, the animators… are using Ichiruki for fanservice. The definition of fan service is to give to fans what they want. Just after this hand holding scene which was not in the manga and which might have angered the detractors of Ichihime, there is the Amagai Arc where Ichigo and Rukia only(not Orihime,Chad and Ishida ) were featured during the last half of this season with the beautiful Ichiruki ending “Gallop”. Contrary to the Ichihime couple we have Jump covers and color spreads to our ship but I read somewhere in the artbook that it is not the author’s choice to draw what he wants but he is directed by Shonen Jump. I think that if there is covers of Ichigo and Rukia together or merchandise of them together it is because they are the hero and heroine of Bleach .I heard that at his visit in America the Bleach’s author was asked to draw the cosplayers he liked. It was his choice but instead of drawing Ichigo and Rukia he drew Ichigo and Orihime with Komamura and Nel . Perhaps deep inside him he wants to draw Ichigo and Orihime together but he can’t .I don’t want to insult the author , I read Bleach manga until chapter 355 and watch the anime (I am at episode 216)so I know that Bleach is largely based on popularity and commercial(merchandising)so what I think(it is just a speculation so you can disagree) is that the author of Bleach is greedy for money. Think about it the Hueco Mundo Arc is a fail and even in anime which must have a large audience and a safe budget to still continue to be broadcasted.
(Anonymous) (22.214.171.124) wrote:
May. 15th, 2009 07:26 am (local)
So where does they find the budget ? with Fade to Black which is rather similar with the Soul Society arc which made the glorious days of Bleach. Fade to black made a hit in the box office and the animators earned lots of money. I was comforted with this idea when I learned that there is a videogame on DS Flame Bringer coming soon which is very similar with Fade to black (Rukia who becomes evil because of a zanpakuto ,who will fight Ichigo who wants to save her and Urahara will do some revelations).Its as if the producers have found a goldmine which they want to exploit to the maximum. Even in the interview of the author for Fade to Black there was a passage where he said that ”the concept of the film and its topic was something he could agree with but some things made him worry till the end” or something like that .So I don’t know if the hug between Ichiruki is just fanservice . Nowadays ,even the seiyuus are teasing but same as the author they talk about ”bond” and “unique relationship” and not love. So what if they are just saying all that to please us fans and in fact Ichigo and Orihime become the couple. They all can say after that they never said outloud that Ichiruki were lovers which is true, Even the author said that he ”will not confirm nor deny it” like perhaps yes , perhaps no. He can also say:”I didn’t promise you that I will make Ichigo and Rukia a couple which will be true and we won’t be able to treat him of liar . Will he be such a sadist to us? Sorry but with the lack of Ichiruki in the manga I have begin to ask me questions. Regarding the anime about the opening songs and endings or the scenes between Ichigo and Rukia which are borderline romantic perhaps the author thinks that what is important is his manga and he doesn’t care what they do in the anime. What if he thinks “my manga is canon and the anime is fanon “and tht’s why he doesn’t care what Studio Pierrot does(several scenes added for Ichihime during Grimjaw and Noitra fights, recent mini-reunion with eye contact between Ichigo and Orihime which was not in the manga). Same with ending songs and opening songs. For example if it was Ichigo and Orihime or Renji and Rukia who run off together hand in hand in the last ending song, then people will say ”what is happening to them ,are they a couple? ”because this is unusual .But if it is Ichigo and Rukia except us Ichiruki shippers other people will brush it off with ”they are the hero and heroine” “we know that they are close to each other “because it is usual.
(Anonymous) (126.96.36.199) wrote:
May. 15th, 2009 07:26 am (local)
And besides I think that there is a silent war between Studio Pierrot and the author since the declaration of Orihime’s feelings to Ichigo, it seems that now they are playing a love triangle between Ichigo, Rukia and Orihime(Opening 10) and the author seems to don’ t care about that and sticks to his manga because even if there is a love triangle there is only one girl for Ichigo and as I saw with the recent developments in the manga it is leaning towards Orihime to my disappointment. Besides I have the impression that the author will make Orihime and Ichigo a couple in the very last chapter to not lose his fanbase , or before if he decides to stop being greedy for money .When I read in forum what will Ichiruki fans will do if Ichihime become canon they said they will stop reading Bleach or watching it, they will burn their manga or merchandise of Ichigo and Rukia and I think that is why he takes his time with the Ichihime interactions and she does not get over from her love for him until now to finally make them a couple at the very end. I hope not but I can’t help think about it.
(Anonymous) (188.8.131.52) wrote: May. 15th, 2009 07:27 am (local)
What don’ t reassure me is the fact that Orihime is still in love with Ichigo. She didn't fall out of love with him when she saw his mask and now she has seen Ichigo 's new form she did not fear him but feared for him and is still in love with him .I want her to move on from her love for him but why didn't she do it yet? why the author of Bleach reinforces the fact that she is still in love? She doesn’t questions herself like: ”Am I really in love with him or am I just seeking for his protection?”, “I was wrong ,I thought that I love him but I can’t be in love with someone with a demon personality” or “I am scared I don’t love him anymore ,he tried to kill Ishida-kun in front of my eyes” ,”I was wrong , he is not my Prince Charming” instead Orihime is still ”Kurosaki-kunning” and she smiles to him when Ichigo asks if she is okay which shows that her love is true and deep .At this rate I fear that Orihime will still be in love with Ichigo even when he will fight against Aizen or in the last chapters of Bleach . Perhaps in the near future she will be the witness of another thing concerning Ichigo's hollow. . What I can’t stand is that Rukia has yet to see any of those Hollow forms and the number keeps growing .So, as you see Ichiruki absence in the manga is unbearable for me .I am proud and I adore all the scenes ,merchandising they get outside but I have this nagging feeling that it is too good to be true, if it is only fanservice and we don’t get our favourite couple I will be devastated. I rather have development between Ichiruki in the manga than in the filler or merchandising especially if we won’t have them as a couple in the end. I like Ichihime but my favourite between the two is Ichiruki and I will be so sad if it won’t happen despite all the things between them. I am a desperate fangirl. According to you am I wrong to think that or it’s true. Please help me ,I need words of comfort. You can share my opinion with other people in fandom if you want because as I said I can’t post in fan-clubs unfortunately. I envy all of you who can do it because its so interesting to share your thoughts with others. Excuse me if I have disturbed you and for my bad English. Sorry for my very very long post . Thank you and bye.