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25 January 2014 @ 06:15 am
I NEED TO TALK ABOUT ISHIDA URYUU  
I made a post at Deathberry just now in the Ishida fanclub



oHHHHH, I'm just now rereading Bleach 565 "God Like You" and starting to absorb the chapter and the full implications for Uryuu. I've been reading around forums and it's a well-received chapter--it's being called the best since the hiatus, and that's probably because it shows it knows Kubo knows what he's doing. (I don't know why people doubt that--interviews past revealed that Kubo had planned out this last arc with JUMP editors--it's not, to use Uryuu's least-favorite word, a "haphazard" connoction, and I don't expect anything close to the spotty and irregular mess the Arrancar was; the Fullbringer arc, even for all its emphasis on characters fans didn't care for, was deftly plotted and brought out a mystery in bits and pieces to a very dramatic conclusion--the re-establishment of Ichigo's shinigami identity; it was a true coming-of-age story).

But I'm wandering off topic. I'm here to TALK ABOUT URYUU.

OMG. There was so much in this one chapter. I've been babbling a bit on twitter and my fanblog with friends but first of all, it was confirmed in this chapter that 1) Ishida was NOT lured/kidnapped or coerced into joining the Sternritter as some fans (and fanfictions) professed and 2) Haschwalth suspected, like some of us, that revenge for MAMA, was the reason Ishida joined. I'm still not sure that is Ishida's reason. Like Kubo has shown us, revenge is such a big no-no in Bleach--Tousen, the recent parable with Koma-chan--would our white hero Ishida be really motivated by such a simple and petty reason?  I don't think Ishida is the damsel he appears to be in this chapter. He may have something else up his sleeve.

Haschwalth, for one, doesn't know all that transpired between Yhwach and his successor. Remember that scene where Yhwach says "Come with me" and Ishida says "I understand?" Yaoi fangirls had a field day with that but we all know that Kubo put that scene there to imply that there was some sort of secret shared, some sort of power exchange perhaps of clarification of information made to Ishida that will be evident, of course, to audiences only in the middle of a fight---when Ishida fights.

As for Haschwalth, he was fascinating in this chapter. I'm still waiting for decent translations of the chapter to emerge because mangapanda and mangastreams aren't the best, but Haschwalth's faces were fascinating to watch in this chapter. Ishida noticed right away that he seemed different. Haschwalth said something to the effect of how he assumed Yhwach's mask while the King slept.  The second resonance of "God Like You." The first was Yhwach's taking the name of the diety the people he was born into worshipped. Yud hey Vuv Hey? Yhwach was born to Jews; ergo, he broke their commandments "Thou shalt not take the name of your Lord in Vain" and Thou shalt have no other G-ds but me." Yhwach is a false god.

Then what does that make Ishida, who is his SUCCESSOR?  A successor is expected to outlive his predecessor.  Haschwalth has that all wrong--he implies that he himself and Ishida will die and their souls will return to their father.
But it's only Haschwalth who will do that, right? Haschwalth's baggy eyes mirror Ishida's baggy eyes at this revelation--it's like Haschwalth is unburdening himself to Ishida. It's like Haschwalth is in grief over this fate, and oddly, with some rage and sarcasm, as he slams the wall behind Ishida, presses his body against his and whispers into his ear (with a homoeroticism that I found REALLY DISTRACTING from the storyline) was conveying a sort of sympathy and fraternity with Ishida in this secret knowledge.

But is Ishida really doomed?

He's A like Yhwach. He's God LIKE Yhwach. The third resonance of the title. Remember the endsheet volume doodles where "Walking Among Watchers" you see one A all burned up with all the other letters stuck to it. It is an ugly depleted letter--it seems to me to represent Yhwach, who depends on other souls to live.  There was one ornate and beautiful pristine A--is this one Ishida?  Will whatever quality that helped him survive the Auswhalen keep him from being reabsorbed by Yhwach?

And is it THIS quality that Yhwach himself wants to end the cycle of eternal battles necessary to sustain his life. Ishida dies and then Yhwach absorbs him and doesn't have to fight to live anymore?

I'm reminded of Orihime's little seemingly tossed off observation that she wished there didn't have to be battles anymore---the line in Hueco Mundo seemed so poetically staged that I knew it had narrative value. I'm pretty certain Orihime will play a part in this story, either in terms of reviving Ishida or negating some of the dire hax of Yhwach's powers over all Quincy--including Ichigo. And Haschwalth--he's already being played up as someone who may be an ally to Uryuu.

I'm amused to read in fandom of the "rescue Ishida" arc and the "Ishida is so fucked" pronouncements. The whole story isn't in. We don't know yet about other factions of Quincy and what they developed in opposition to Yhwach's gang. We don't know Souken's story yet or what part Ryuuken has played recently. We'll find out of course.

For a Quincy fan like me, I'm .... ah, this is too delicious. I'm on the edge of my seat. This is the story I've wanted to know ever since Ishida fought Mayuri in SS and Kubo promised us that Ishida needed to know his father's heart and what he (Uryuu) wanted to protect. It's all going to be told now. I'm going to hyperventilate when my boy fights and learns his true self.



I SO NEED TO TALK ABOUT ISHIDA URYUU NOW. Anyone who has a notion as to what this recent chapter may mean for my favorite character, please respond. I'm curious to know what the expectations are. Drop your predictions here!


ETA--found a WONDERFUL POST at OneManga, not usually one of my favorite places for discussion, but post #240 in the chapter thread, organized so many of the elements inherent in this chapter beautifully: http://onemangaforums.com/index.php?/topic/5241-bleach-chapter-565-discussion/page-12#entry598529  I DID think about Kubo's promise that Ukitake would be healed after reading this chapter. I'm on board with many observations in this long, long post.
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linwenolatarilinwenolatari on January 26th, 2014 02:01 am (UTC)
I think that maybe Ishida senior is gonna sacrifice himself for his son, or that Ishida is gonna die.
rocknyxrocknyx on January 26th, 2014 12:58 pm (UTC)
I really wanna know where Kubo is going with this! I always thought Ishida was an interesting character but I've been more interested in his story since this arc started. I would have liked to see more of his parents too, especially Katagiri. Obviously Ishida knows by now that Bach was the cause for her death but I'm curious to know when he really found that out. Haschwalth says Ishida accepted the invite so that he can get revenge for his mom but that would mean having to know about her cause of death before the invite. I assumed he figured it out when Bach was talking to him about the cleansing and he seemed to be genuinely shocked. I guess Ishida could a have been surprised because he realized he was the only one who lived but I figure since hes pretty smart, he would have thought of that if he knew about the event beforehand. Thats why I think he didn't join for revenge if that made any sense?
I realllly want to see how Ichigo and Ishida interact the next time they meet. I'm thinking Ishida will have a cool new weapon upgrade so maybe they can play with their shiny new toys together ;).

I'm also thinking Bach is planning on using Ishida as way to prolong his life in some way or another. There doesn't seem to be real reason to hastily name a successor since it looks like Bach intends on living forever. The only thing that comes to mind right now is Bach wanting a new body to possess. I'm sure theres more to it than that though.

gaaah! I just have sooo many questions! I want to know NOW!
♀*La Muerte Chiquita*♀: Himetubola_kalaka on January 26th, 2014 07:21 pm (UTC)
I'm thinking Ishida will have a cool new weapon upgrade so maybe they can play with their shiny new toys together ;).

Now I am imagining Uryuu and ichigo as babies playing with a toy zanpakutou and a toy bow xDDDDD



Ishida purpose in YW scheme, i think this is linked to Ichigo too.

Although I believe Ishida has something special to him, linked to his scar and himself, I don't forget that he has been ichigo's friend and one of the closest persons to him.

YH as the Soul King has special interest in Ichigo, so he knows what he could get if Uryuu and Ichigo fights, and maybe even more, what if Uryuu by being a living quincy not as tainted as the others (not as tainted cause YW's blood is now inside him) can steal ichigo's bankai or unblock his soul and take away the only thing that keeps Ichigo's soul safe? This could mean Ichigo and Uryuu are in danger to being absorved together and give Yhwach power to reach another level, enough to be free of his dependence of his own army and wars?
rocknyxrocknyx on January 27th, 2014 12:15 pm (UTC)
>>>>>>>Now I am imagining Uryuu and ichigo as babies playing with a toy zanpakutou and a toy bow xDDDDD

oops
Lolz there you go! ( I hope its ok to put this here!)

anyways,I wonder if his task is to steal ichigos bankai too now that you mention it.
_debbiechan_: Ishida hearts_debbiechan_ on January 27th, 2014 12:54 pm (UTC)

OH SHIT, THAT'S SO ADORABLE I'M ALL GOOGLY INSIDE! <3333333
♀*La Muerte Chiquita*♀la_kalaka on February 1st, 2014 08:09 am (UTC)
OHMYGOOOOD!! CUTEST THING EVER!!! hahahahaha! Uryuu is bullying baby!Ichigo! xDDDDD and the cape, the cape has a duckling! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw! :333

You've made me happy :33333
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on January 28th, 2014 05:33 pm (UTC)


My new post at Deathberry:

bad karma and cnet's translations are out:
http://mangahelpers.com/t/badkarma/releases/39359
http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128

It's interesting to note that both translations refer to "soul particles" being given out to others by Yhwach and those "soui pieces/particles" returning to him, not the entire souls as people seem to be thinking. This explains Katagiri, who was weakened after the Aushwhalen but did not DIE, or her soul did not return in entirety to Yhwach. It may be that the Sternritter when they die return in entirety to their king.

Also, I was supicious of Haschwalth's saying the actual name of Yhwach in the mangastream translation--MS is very inaccurate and Haschwalth had never mentioned the actual name before, but the Japanese in the bad karma page shows that Haschwalth did indeed say the sovereign's name. It is the g-d's name that is prohibited in Jewish (not Christian) tradition and opens up as to what population exactly Yhwach the senseless baby may have been born to 1000 years ago--a European group of JudeoChristian Quincy?

Exactly how were the Quincy "created" by Yhwach? We're told earlier in the narrative that some Quincy escaped to "perfect their techniques" to the Wandereich. These are Yhwach's army. What role Souken's clan had is yet to be clarified--as well as what techniques Ryuuken may have had for countering Yhwach's soul-sucking. If Uryuu went to the WR without the recklessness we would expect from Ichigo or someone OTHER than the very intelligent and always prepared Uryuu, then maybe he went with some help from Ryuuken (or Urahara).

Things look dire for Uryuu right now, but I'm not at all convinced he's a damsel in this arc. Haschwalth guess that Uryuu's motive was to avenge his mama, but revenge is a big no-no in Bleach (witness Tousen parable and recent Koma-chan parable) and Uryuu would have to have a motive bigger and richer than that to enter such a dangerous territory. Surely, he didn't think he was going to be able to execute Yhwach while the king slept? Ishida's no fool. There's more to this story---

Can't wait to find out.
luminous85: Excitedluminous85 on January 29th, 2014 06:57 am (UTC)
Too bad there is no "like" button for ALL OF THIS AWESOME here!
luminous85: Oh Shitluminous85 on January 29th, 2014 06:53 am (UTC)
It just occurred to me, the last bit of the chapter insinuated that Ichigo's soul is also in jeopardy. With this possibility in mind, I'm interested in seeing what Ishida will do--if he even knows Ichigo has Quincy in him.

Also since Ichigo is more or less a hybrid soul, are we to assume his soul can't be taken? His would be the ultimate soul to take if possible. I can't help but wonder so many things regarding this topic.

Edited at 2014-01-29 02:51 pm (UTC)