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29 June 2011 @ 09:22 am
BLEACH Chapter 454  
 http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/454

Awwwww yeah.

My thoughts: Certainly not as fast and exciting as last week's, but it's moving along. Isshin's holding a sword, which I can only assume was made specifically for Ichigo. He's already got his Fullbring sword; would Kubo actually give him two? Ginoju is still very suspect to me. It all seems too set-up. I can't tell if it's just poor writing/execution or if, in Ichigo eyes, the XCUTION are great actors. This is probably the most shocked Ginjou has ever looked, and it still doesn't seem genuine. You have to wonder if Kubo's aware people are expecting Tsukishima and the XCUTION to be working together.
 
 
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jpblackjpblack on June 29th, 2011 02:40 pm (UTC)
The sword had reiatsu/smoke coming from it. I interpreted it as it being freshly made, so I think it's what it was. The title was "Sheathebreaker" so perhaps it's a metaphor for the sword finally being ready; pulled out of its sheathe.
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_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on June 29th, 2011 02:39 pm (UTC)


Thank you for posting--my girl Jackie was out and I'm not fast on the draw.

The pace sloooooooowed down.

I'm trying to be happy about seeing Ishida but all he did was stand up. At least he's dressed.

Oh well, maybe next week he'll brush his teeth.

Oh Ichigo. KILLING TSUKISHIMA HUH? You're really mad. Ginjou, you liar, what are you up to?

I guess there really is nowhere to go but to follow Yukio. Big picture of a scary mansion. "Don't open the door!" But the horror show must go on. I guess the mansion picture sets up a scaaaaary atmosphere but it's more annoying than donuts to me--not a really thrilling ending to a chapter.

Ichigo, I know you're a trusting soul but you're just being led... You starting to remind me of Little Peggy March.




I'm more interested in what Isshin is carrying and why he and Urahara need such a thing. The reference to the moon in the beginning made me think of yeah, Rukia, and Ichigo's powers---both are referred to as the moon. Sure sometimes a cigar is just a cigar but in this case the symbolism seemed a little heavy-handed.
dekinai_yodekinai_yo on June 29th, 2011 08:54 pm (UTC)
like lead
it's true that the pacing in many senses has let up a bit after that barrage of events last chapter - but the sense of anxiety/dread/foreboding has set and stuck, with me at least, lingering all throughout the week and brought back full force to hang out in the back of my head and the pit of my stomach all day, since i read the chapter this morning. the action itself has stopped for a moment, but the gravity of the situation, if anything, is deepening. hopefully it will continue that way for a while before they get back into chest-thumping expository rants- i mean, fighting.
with everything happening, there's a TON of potential for the urgency of the situation to be carried on for several chapters, and the fact that the sense of awful anticipation Kubo-sensei stirred up last week has managed to remain strong is a great sign. hopefully ratings are starting to climb again.
hinodeh: sexy and smug rukiahinodeh on June 29th, 2011 02:41 pm (UTC)
Calling it now. Ichigo will get stabbed by the sword that Isshin, Uruhara and Mysterygami made and that will return his powers.
jpblackjpblack on June 29th, 2011 02:45 pm (UTC)
Y'know, even if it's predictable, that would actually be really cool. The Fullbringers all turn on Ichigo, he's alone and helpless, and bam; Urahara, Isshin, and Rukia barge in. Ichigo shares a long stare with her, and she then stabs him. Chapter ends on him in Shinigami garb. Maybe he cuts of one of the FBs appendages before the ominous cloud of reiatsu dissolves.
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i am worried over uryu... It hasn't proved if his memories have changed
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Boy did not look healthy. He looked like he needed a barf bag. At least he's wearing civilian clothes (I didn't think he'd change into fab Quincy garb this arc--everyone's been wearing street stuff) but he's all hunched over and sick looking....
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darksloverdarkslover on June 29th, 2011 02:55 pm (UTC)
- That sword Papasaki holds reeks "Chapter 1 penetration!" to me. I bet that this is what Isshin, Urahara and Sinigami X were preparing before. And it needed shinigami X's reiatsu to be ready? Hmm...

- So, this seems to be tsukishima's ability... Ginjou is not sure. This is too fishy. What kind of group had him as their leader and didn't even know his powers?

- Actually Ichigo, I'd say that it IS Ginjou's fault, but whatev.

- ICHIGO IS CONSIDERING OF KILLING A HUMAN?! Ichigo, what has the loss of your shinigami powers done to you?????????????????? I know that you're pissed, but this????

- OK, I'm starting to get suspicious of Ginjou's motives now... what if he wants Ichigo to kill Tsukishima for his own goals (whichever they may be)?

- I'm getting scared OF Ichigo at this point. He's seriously thinking of murder? Oi, Ichigo, this is veeeery different from what you've been doing to the hollows! That was "purification"! Is Aizen responsible for this, the dome, the Arrancar, who resembled humans more than other hollows? Yikes.

- That "we'll fix you soon" line freaked me out more. Bleach is seriously becoming a horror story!

I like it.

- Oh, Ishida is up! Hi, Ishida! Wait, why only one page with you? KUBO!!

- And even the abandoned, haunted mansion is in! Bleach IS becoming a horror manga!


Not as good as the previous chapter, but I liked it. Ichigo's determination to kill Tsukishima sure puts him under another light. This boy's phyche needs some light. Immediately. Brrr...
incandescensincandescens on June 29th, 2011 04:44 pm (UTC)
One of Ichigo's main motivations has always been "protect other people". Tsukishima has messed with that in the most brutal way, and has affected most of the people that Ichigo knows, and there isn't any obvious way for Ichigo to fix it. It's a gut punch.

Admittedly the boy isn't thinking very rationally anyhow, though. :)
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nehalenianehalenia on June 29th, 2011 03:03 pm (UTC)
"Sheathbreaker" is the most intriguing title I've seen Kubo use in awhile. I agree that the sword Isshin's holding is going to get stabbed into Ichigo (like everyone else seems to think) but I suspect it's going to do more than just activate his powers. A sword's sheath is its container, just like a human body is the "container" of the soul. If "Sheathbreaker" refers to that sword, then I think it's going to kill or destroy Ichigo's human body. :/ That would certainly "steal his (human) future".

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Danielwdboldstar on June 29th, 2011 03:21 pm (UTC)
Oooo. I like this theory. I wonder if Isshin et. al. will give him a choice, or if they'll just stab him? Could bring up some interesting issues if Ichigo just gets to die, no choice in the matter.
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qwirky on June 29th, 2011 03:48 pm (UTC)
Isshin's holding a sword, which I can only assume was made specifically for Ichigo. He's already got his Fullbring sword; would Kubo actually give him two?
Based on your comments above, I think you've changed your mind on this scenario. TBH, it makes little sense for Isshin and Urahara to create a sword (probably made from whatever was in Urahara's vat, and which has shinigami reiatsu in it) to give to Ichigo; the sword's probably for Isshin, or whoever, to stab Ichigo.

It annoys me that the sword is white and it has reiatsu streaming from it, looking like white ribbons. Not to say "OH, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SODE NO SHIRAYUKI," because I don't think it is, but I feel like Kubo was messing us with that imagery. :|

You have to wonder if Kubo's aware people are expecting Tsukishima and the XCUTION to be working together.
I don't think the general public is expecting that, though. I only think you're assuming they are now because everyone here read bonefield's essay and realized how logical it sounded, whereas prior to her essay, most people weren't thinking that Ginjou and Tsukishima were allies. Some people thought Ginjou was definitely skeevy. But there are still a ton of people who refuse to admit that Ginjou is shady, or else they think he's just Urahara Lite.

I can't tell if it's just poor writing/execution or if, in Ichigo eyes, the XCUTION are great actors. This is probably the most shocked Ginjou has ever looked, and it still doesn't seem genuine.
I think Ginjou's feelings came off believably. Not to say that I as a reader believe he's genuine, based on his past history, but if I were to view this chapter on its own in isolation with no prior context, or if I were to view Ginjou's reactions from Ichigo's perspective, I'd believe Ginjou.

That said, I'm not sure how much I believe Ginjou about Tsukishima's power. His explanation differs from everything he said before to Chad - Fullbringers can't get new powers, their powers can't evolve, Tsukishima's only cuts through anything, blah blah blah. It makes sense what Tsukishima's power does, but trying to figure out what Ginjou's telling the truth about and what he's lying about is like trying to determine how much of what Aizen says is bullshit (which boils down to: if it's not contradicted in the next few chapters, we assume it's the truth until it's retconned or contradicted/corrected later).

Poor Ichigo ;________; *hugs him* Talking about killing someone... and Ginjou's all "NO YOU CAN'T D: D:" followed up by "WELL DO YOU THINK YOU CAN?! HE NEEDS TO DIE ANYWAY NO MATTER WHAT! CAN YOU KILL HIM WITH NO PROOF?!?!" >_> Ginjou, you creeper. GTFO and away from Ichigo.

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_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on June 29th, 2011 04:13 pm (UTC)

Based on Ginjou's previous fake faces, his surprise could easily be fake.

The whole con man bait and switch "Oh we have no proof--but

CAN YOU DO IT ICHIGO? CAN YOU KILL HIM?"

Meanwhile as Neha was saying, there's no damn reason why Ginjou can't kill Tsukishima himself--Ginjou is more powerful at the moment and has even more motive.

He leads Ichigo right into that Haunted Mansion like it's Candyland. -_-

I do think Kubo's playing with the Sode no Shirayuki imagery and I wouldn't be surprised if it's Rukia, not Isshin, who delivers the blow again--with some twist. I just can't see Ichigo letting his dad stab him without a fight but maybe he will only let Rukia ...

I'm feeling so sorry for Ichigo right now. He's got old man bags under his eyes.
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lorkylorklorkylork on June 29th, 2011 04:08 pm (UTC)
Oh gosh...I DO NOT TRUST GINJOU!

Papasaki and Urahara are looking grim and serious. Goodness...I shivered at the sight of the sword...and the title.

I still do not understand fullbringers and their powers...

Lower panel on this page: http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/454/10...get away from Ichigo, you ramen dude...only Aizen has ever come close to him. Seriously, this reminded me of Aizen's-tap-on-Ichigo's-chest-scene

Ichigo talking about murder? How far has he fallen? And he looks berserk in that panel....and then Ginjou...aaarrrrrrrrrrhhhh....

moonlight293moonlight293 on June 29th, 2011 09:30 pm (UTC)


... Well shit :o
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aryastarkxaryastarkx on June 29th, 2011 04:10 pm (UTC)
i guess shinigami x went back to soul society...or wherever they came from...for the time being, however long that will be
geez i feel like we'll have to wait 20+ chapters to learn what's going on on that front, unless it blends into the next arc (which would be such bullshit)

anyway i hope next week's chapter is better than this week's "meh" chapter. ichigo's frantic expressions are getting annoying
Running on Coffee and Schadenfreudearcadiasilver on June 29th, 2011 05:43 pm (UTC)
I have to wonder now if this plan was something Isshin and Urahara concocted in response to the Fullbringers, or something that has been on the burner since the end of Deicide. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the later and all that was holding it up was for Ichigo to show that he was ready to talk about it.

Still, echoing the idea that this sheathebreaker will destroy his human body and seal his human life. It makes sense, after all. When Rukia first put that blade through his heart, it was a symbolic AND literal "death". I mean, we even get a panel of her bloody sword sticking out of his back. So death is the only means of him becoming a shinigami again.
nivek01nivek01 on June 29th, 2011 11:00 pm (UTC)
To me, this seems too rushed to have been on the backburner since Ichigo used the FGT. If they'd been in planning for over a year, I'd think Isshin would be more comfortable with it. But instead we have even Urahara questioning what they were doing.

Also, you don't sit down and pull all nighters to finish a term paper three weeks before it's due. If Isshin was so caught up in this plan that he couldn't even be bothered to notice a creeper going into his own house and messing with his daughters minds, then I think it's because they need to finish as soon as possible. Or Isshin is just a really bad, favoriting parent

Nonetheless, I would be interested to learn why it took them so long if they've had this planned since decide. I doubt it would have anything to do with Ichigo not being able to talk about SS, because he was avoiding the topic so he could try and move on with his life. It would be almost cruel to go "Oh, Ichigo, what's that? You've moved on enough to be able to talk about your shinigami powers? Well what a coincidence! Look at what we can restore now!"

I, like everyone else apparently, instantly thought that Isshin is going to use that sword to destroy Ichigo's human body, make him a shinigami again, etc. I think at this point though, I would be much happier if it was something else, just because I would enjoy the moral ambiguity.
산토끼 × san-toki: 『b』 → grimmysan_toki on June 29th, 2011 05:49 pm (UTC)
I just had a thought before this chapter was out that....what if Ginjou was working with Tsukishima and when he cut out Ichigo's eyes, he messed with perception so he really was Shuu and everyone thinks Ichigo is a big jerk.



Hmmmm, I guess this will be all explained soon.
(Anonymous) on June 30th, 2011 12:27 am (UTC)
HAHAHAHA
lol YES! lets bring meme base and bleach together. When ichigo was running away last chapter he should've had the "forever alone' face.
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Aquat1c F1sh: Bleach - Ichigo Ponderingaquat1cf1sh on June 29th, 2011 06:06 pm (UTC)
I liked it, still had a creepy feeling from last week.

Although if this really is the "final battle" with Tsukishima, I... dunno. I kind of want this interesting feeling of "everybody thinks Ichigo is insane" to stay for a while. This is the most interested in Bleach I've been in a long time.
yl_ylyl_yl on June 29th, 2011 06:21 pm (UTC)
Ichigo! Where are you?????? You must have been replaced by an imposter! I know it's a total nightmare for you, but is the situation dire enough for you, yourself, to actually suggest to kill Tsukishima?

It's creepy that the same cresent moon has been hanging in the sky for 3 days (I love astronomy, so it actually bothers me that the moon is always stuck in the same phase), and even creepier that Ichigo has become part of the Xcution in just 3 days (okay, maybe longer if you include the time he was stuck in the game, but still).
eframepiloteframepilot on June 29th, 2011 07:42 pm (UTC)
In Bleach world, the moon always looks like that. Except in Hueco Mundo, where it looks like the mirror image.
mae_snapdragon: bedmae_snapdragon on June 29th, 2011 08:00 pm (UTC)
RUUKIIIAAAA!
Not going to lie, every single time they showed the crescent moon I thought "Rukia imagery! Rukia imagery!". And I counted. We saw it four times. Though for me, the most significant one was the first one, on the second page, right underneath the words "Bleach 454". This better be foreshadowing Rukia's return...and I like the idea that Rukia is the mysterygami.
descrimedescrime on June 29th, 2011 08:26 pm (UTC)
The question I have is, if Ichigo and Ginjou are the two with correct memories, how did Ginjou not remember the video game thing-y on his jacket?
qwirky on June 29th, 2011 09:12 pm (UTC)
Theoretically, Yukio could have sneaked it on Ginjou (possibly when he and the others "attacked" Ginjou), then justified it later because of the false memories ('this is how we always did it'). Or Ichigo's just so messed up, he didn't notice that Yukio's explanation and Ginjou's reaction are not exactly consistent with Ginjou's version of what's going down. I'm thinking probably the latter (this is assuming that Ginjou's a bad guy who's deceiving Ichigo).
peca_06peca_06 on June 29th, 2011 08:44 pm (UTC)
So, Tsukishima can insert memories of himself into people's past... When Ginjou said "LOVER" I thought oooh maybe Tsuki. will bookmark him as that, if it hasn't done it yet XDDDD.

Anyway, Ichigo talking about KILLING sent a chill down my spine o__*. Unsettling indeed . Why doesn't that idiot Ginjou done it himself. Please Ichigo stop listening to this guy and being so bloody hasty on your conclusions. Good grief he is soooooo lost.

Following Yukio like the rabbit to wonderland... But it is a very spooky run down mansion and I wouldn't put a foot inside of there if I were you.... Doesn't look good at all. This people are like some creepy brainwashing CULT and Tsuki or Ginjou are the Charles Manson equivalent for the head of it. Great crowd of creepy murderous wackos you are hanging around with Ichigo -____- .

Isshin wielding a white reiatsu sword and moon, moonlight, moons everywhere... The light at the end of the tunnel is sorta near??? Hope so T___T.
moonlight293: Gin_Maskmoonlight293 on June 29th, 2011 09:17 pm (UTC)
Aaargh Pacing...
The first thing I thought when I saw that sword was that the mystery shinigami must have had their powers taken (I'm thinking similar to Rukia giving Ichigo her powers at the start) with that device to produce some flashy sword thing (since it doesn't look like Isshin's zanpakutou).

I didn't think about it until people here pointed it out, but I do think that it will probably be used to stab him and give him his powers back (or have some kind of psuedo-shinigami powers that merge with his fullbring or something), which makes sense given the paragraph above.

Which comes to question as to who would sacrifice their shinigami powers? Well, Rukia comes to mind but with the whole SS arc debacle...
In my opinion it is too early for Rukia to make an appearance just yet - Ichigo needs to somehow get through this without her help, but I would be willing to accept that she played some part in getting his powers back.

Ichigo talking about killing Tsukishima... I agree with everyone in that it was chilling.

So many moons... o__o It has to be imagery somewhat. (Although I'm disinclined to say that it's Rukia foreshadowing I would be pleased if she returns later and is all like "I was watching over you the whole time")
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Re: Aaargh Pacing...
I was thinking something similar when I read your post and I read the first couple of pages again. When we saw Isshin and Urahara before there was always some reference to the mysterious shinigami, now it says quite distinctly "..two people under the moonlight".
Where the Hello Kitty did our mysterious shinigami wander off to? Is he/she laying on the street somewhere with their reiatsu sucked out of them or are they in the sword just kicking it or what? (Though it would be strange for Rukia to be concealed in a sword...)
kohi_no_torakohi_no_tora on June 29th, 2011 09:29 pm (UTC)
Hmmm...

A thought has occurred to me. I mentioned with the chapter before last when Ichigo's 'complete' Fullbring appeared that it gave me a distinct Hollow-like vibe and that if Ginjo was on the level about getting his shinigami powers back that everyone might be in a surprise when Shirosaki put in a surprise appearance.

Ichigo's sudden talk of killing is making me wonder if between the epic-freakout and his Fullbring powers (which are stated to be Hollow related, which I think we can take that as given since it merely confirmed something Chad said way back when fighting Ganbantein), if Shirosaki might be bubbling to the surface.

On a slightly separate note, did it seem to anyone else that Orihime managed to shrug off Tsukishima's power, going by their phone conversation last week. (Has a sudden vision of in the next coming week a dramatic entrance to save Ichigo when he's in dire straits but it's Orihime to the rescue rather than Isshin and Urahara. And it is GOOD!)
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Astraea: [bleach] shinjilady_leia_solo on June 29th, 2011 10:56 pm (UTC)
Freaking Isshin finally shows his ass up again. Real responsible father right thur..

But I still can't fully trust Ginjou. There is just something about him, the vibes he gives off..

The little Ishida snippet made me very happy. How long has he been recovering now? But wait I forgot, time in the real world doesn't work the same way in the Bleach universe XD
Adam Eppadam_epp on June 29th, 2011 11:06 pm (UTC)
So-so chapter. As a weekly chapter, it isn't up to par because very little happens in it; this is the type of chapter that's better when you re-read the series after the arc has finished. But, other than this, I have no comment to make on the chapter since it doesn't really present anything new to us.
nivek01nivek01 on June 29th, 2011 11:11 pm (UTC)
Not as fast pacing, but the info and the implications more then make up for it.

Topic of the week: Yeah, Ichigo, just sit down with you head between your knees for a minute. Please? Because I wonder if you understand the consequences of what you're planning. Ginjou says that you're friends will look at you as a murderer, not to be trusted, etc. if Tsukishima's ability doesn't wear off, but really, they'll look at you that way just because you killed him. You've always been a guy who won his fights by crushing his enemies spirit, by staying in control of your mind and pulling through with your values. Please don't succumb to your fear. PLEASE?!

Little Ishida, but the scene of him standing up means he's going to be important.

Like most others, I think that Isshin is going to stab Ichigo, giving him back his shinigami powers. I personally hope for a twist, like it doesn't work, or his shinigami powers don't completely come back, or his hollow powers come back with them.

Actually, I wonder if that sword is going to be used to destroy Ichigo's fullbring, so it can't interfere with Ichigo's shinigami powers growing back. Ginjou said that as his shinigami powers returned, they'd merge with his fullbring to give him a transcending power. I think it's also possible that what Isshin is going to do is help Ichigo get back pure shinigami power, not this combo stuff.

Either way, though I expect Isshin to come in and epically stab Ichigo, giving the boy back his powers...idk, I would feel like we'd be missing out on a great chance for moral ambiguity on Isshin's part. I would find it a lot more interesting if whatever that sword did wouldn't be something that would make Ichigo go "Oh well I was freaking out over nothing." Though I find the mistrust of his father to be a bit stretched, there's been a nice enough buildup that if it was something overwhelmingly positive like "LOOK ICHIGO, DADDY GOT YOUR POWERS BACK FOR YOU!!" it would feel out of place. But alas, it would take too long for me to describe my reasoning behind that.

I found the mansion ominous, and am wondering what next chapter is going to be about. Fight? More talking? More development for Ichigo's powers? Maybe running around the mansion, Amnesia style?
eframepiloteframepilot on June 29th, 2011 11:34 pm (UTC)
I figured out the significance of Tsukishima cutting Ishida physically instead of "bookmarking" his memories like all of the others. Kubo called attention to the difference more than once, as if it was going to be important to the story, even though it should be very easy for Tsukishima to choose to cut someone physically instead of mentally.

The reason is why Tsukishima cut Ishida physically. He attacked all of Ichigo's other friends and family (except Isshin and Urahara who are probably too far above his level) and brainwashed him, but he sliced Ishida and ran? Why did he do that? Well, the immediate consequence of that was Ichigo running into Ginjou's arms. Tsukishima's only reason for physically cutting Ishida was to help Ginjou seduce Ichigo to his side.

My guess is that Ishida will show up at the mansion and point this out or something.
tick-tockingscuttling on June 30th, 2011 01:42 am (UTC)
Oh, definitely. That's been at least speculalated. My question is, why not do both? Or cut him later? Ryuuken could be that formidable, but... I wonder.
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(Anonymous) on June 29th, 2011 11:50 pm (UTC)
If Tsukishima's power has no capacity to erase memory, how does it work on people who know him? And dammit, doesn't GINJOU know him?
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on June 30th, 2011 12:53 am (UTC)

That's a good point. I mean, he can insert himself into a person's memory but then he's got his already other existing self to contend with. Makes Ginjou's story shadier--or there are more to Bookman's powers than we're being told.
(Anonymous) on June 30th, 2011 12:15 am (UTC)
If what Ginjou says is true then Tuskishima has the most evil and dispicable power that has ever existed... TO SELF-INSERT HIMSELF INTO THE CONTINUITY OF THE PLOT!!! Which in my eyes makes Ichigo's idea of "KEEL HIM NAO!" more sane. It just shows that Ichigo cares for the good of the story.
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on June 30th, 2011 12:51 am (UTC)

LOL, arguing with people who believe all kinds of stuff at the chapter thread at BA. The unpredictability of the plot really IS evidence that Kubo is writing an honest mystery story and it's not at ALL bad if it's got people talking. Does remind me of the SS glory days when the shit started to go down. Because in the Deicide chapters things felt like they were about to be revealed and all we got were a few clues dropped from Aizen, a bunch of butt-ugly transformations and a feeling of emptiness--only the emotional coda of the last chapter and the farewell swords saved it all.... I hope this time things are different and we do get an AH HA! moment or two when it all clicks and the mysteries are solved ... and the, er, sheathes are broken or whatever.

Anyway, I wrote this over at BA and then promptly got in trouble for calling Ichigo OOC for saying he wants to kill someone. -_- I know Ichigo won't do it (He killed Ulquiorra but Ichigo wasn't himself when he did that:

Kurosaki Ichigo is a civilian living in Karakura and Ginjou's got him convinced to murder Tsukishima, a human being, in cold blood without the benefit of judge jury trial or proof. Ginjou the candy man GOADED Ichigo into doing this--if Ginjou wanted Tsukishima dead so badly why not do it himself--Ginjou's more powerful and has just as strong a motive.

Ishida doesn't look well at all. I suppose Orihime was right when she said he had to rest up--it apparently took him five chapters to get dressed. But I can see Ishida rushing in to save Ichigo's humanity again. Ishida was the one who tried to stop Ichigo from killing Ulquiorra on the dome; he could do it again here to keep Ichigo from killing Tsukishima.

Kubo said it in a volume poem to kill is the devil. This isn't our Ichigo. It's some crazed boy with circles under his eyes being led around by a very very bad man. Tsukishima is creepy enough but Ginjou--what are you doing to our Ichigo? I'm wondering about these theories that what the FBs really want isn't for Ichigo's shinigami self to return but for his Hollow to emerge. This killer may be what they need for some reason.

Orihime and Chad should show up to try to help. I'm still worried about them and what the sight of them being Tsukishima's "friends" might do to Ichigo. Could be dome redux with Orihime and Chad triggering a killer and Ishida trying to stop it?