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22 January 2011 @ 09:24 am
Great Bleach Tangents  

Discussion for the weekend.

Beyond the many Ban Kai Kubo has yet to show us and all the debatable growing up the kids have to do, there are so many unresolved tangents in Bleach that it would take Sensei  a nice ten years at least to thoroughly pick up all the loose threads, wouldn't you say? Given our manga-ka's propensity for dropping a thread and then picking it up a hundred or more chapters later, Bleach can sometimes resemble a very wooly carpet.

What are some of your favorite loose threads and what do you think are the chances of their being woven back into the glorious Bleachverse tapestry in some spectacular way?

For example, I've always been slightly pissed that we never got a resolution to the fact that Ishida had all those spy bacteria in him by Mayuri--did he get them out? Did Orihime undo that nasty business when she healed him? But I'm resigned to the fact that this loose thread may not be very important to the Master Tapestry. More important is the fact that Aizen got locked away with the hougyoku still inside him. And how about that BIG GIANT CLUE that Kubo threw in chapter 00b about Rukia's mystery visit to Earth with Kiyone--that's overdue some explanation. Rukia's connection to hougyoku. How about Orihime's vow to destroy the hougyoku? That got brought up in one panel and never touched about again. Don't even get me started about Orihime hints of development from Kubo that have gotten nerfed.

So, while we're all cozying up to some guaranteed Isshin backstory now, there's still a LOT of unresolved Bleach to bitch about. What are your favorite seemingly forgotten tangents? (I'm sure Sensei hasn't forgotten them--he's just slow and sadistic XD)
 
 
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Kit-chan: Orihime?chiave_trust on January 22nd, 2011 03:33 pm (UTC)
Nothing in particular, but it seems (to me) that there are a lot of tangents involving Rukia and also Orihime that look tantalizingly important - that their characters, their actions, will be vital to the Bleach Tapestry but we don't know how yet.
_debbiechan_: orihime 341_debbiechan_ on January 22nd, 2011 03:48 pm (UTC)

I have to admit that I'm more into Rukia and Orihime than most characters in Bleach. I do believe that Sensei has given them more honest treatment than most mangaka in shounen--Rukia is a "sub-main" and is still crucial to the plot and despite what people say Orihime isn't just a character meant to fangirl the hero (aka Hinata)--she's had serious character development that still begs for resolution.

I'm waaaaaaiting, Sensei.
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hinodeh: gazille has his thinking cap onhinodeh on January 22nd, 2011 03:40 pm (UTC)
Well, the bodies in the lab, resolving which arrancar are dead and which not onece and fro all (Nnoitra), you mentioned Orihime's plan to destroy the hougyoku.

Otherwise, there is Momo recovering and no longer being a victim.

Hyori getting better.

Learning about the Royal Realm.

Kira having proper character resolution.

Hmmmmm, what else?
_debbiechan_: GIN FOXY_debbiechan_ on January 22nd, 2011 03:45 pm (UTC)

Kira's reaction to his captain's "death" or whatever.... something, please. T___T That would clear up so much and of course Sensei will withhold that.
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kanjo_girl: unohana: dangerouskanjo_girl on January 22nd, 2011 03:53 pm (UTC)
1. What I really want confirmed is the freaking aging of the Soul Society. I mean, they're dead souls, right? But they can die of old age. And...they have babies somehow. That's something I'd like to know more about.

2. And also: who was the brave woman who had a kid with Ryuuken? I bet Uryuu wants to know that too.

3. Orihime's broken resolve for a great amount of things. It's hinted something relevant happened to her mental state that will probably become a problem later. I. Want. To. Know.

4. More of Chad's back story. Parents died of a hollow? Ugh. Need more info and angst for this character--I love him to death, but it needs to come out now. No more Ichigo-centric depression.

5. How the hell did Rukia survive alone as a baby? Did someone shelter her for a bit?

6. Unohana's and Yama-jii's stories. Big questions about how the Gotei 13 got started in the first place. And we need to see Unohana's Ban Kai.

7. Renji wanted to ask Urahara an important question: what was it? Obviously, it had to do with Rukia, which is heavily hinted. But WHAT? Lord, Kubo, you're beautiful and all, but you need to uncover some of these questions.

8. The King. Just...we need more information. It seems like "he" isn't just a 'person'; Aizen and Urahara seemed to perceive "him" as something...very different.

That's my bitching. But, for real, #7 needs some explaining.
_debbiechan_: urahara hat_debbiechan_ on January 22nd, 2011 04:53 pm (UTC)

Oh forgot about Renji's question. >.< That seems like something tangential and small enough that Kubo might just overlook it too. Because it was basically understood that Renji just wanted pick a bone with Urahara about why Urahara allowed the hougyoku to be in Rukia etc and had her go through all that--and that all goes back to the original question of WHY was it put in Rukia in the first place... so yeah, Kubo owes us an answer. Urahara, you got some splainin to do.
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pony_rocks: pic#84544780pony_rocks on January 22nd, 2011 04:34 pm (UTC)
1. Ishida father & son relationship - I want Uryuu to realize whom his father wants to protect.

2. Mayuri's bacteria.

3. Kira's reaction to Gin's story.

_debbiechan_: hot quincy papa_debbiechan_ on January 22nd, 2011 04:50 pm (UTC)

Any more Ryuuken would be like a gift from heaven. Anything at all. The great part is I KNOW that Kubo can't tell the Isshin story without involving Ryuuken in some way. XD
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the cosplayin' cat ladymochavalentino on January 22nd, 2011 04:37 pm (UTC)
Which arrancar, if any, are really dead. And where the ones who were never dying are, like Nel.

And vizards, man. Personally, I want to know what they did in the last 100+ years from being dumped in the human world. I don't know if that's considered a loose thread, but what is, is the fact that they're there. I have a sinking feeling that these xcution people took their place and we'll never see how Hiyori healed, or any of the rest of them in general.

Like a few others said, I wanna know more about the Royal Realm, too. And see that Hikifune chick XD
hinodeh: back to back badasseshinodeh on January 22nd, 2011 04:41 pm (UTC)
And don't forget that Mashiro and Kensei were absent from the end of the last arc. WTF happened to them?
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Sian: gtfo hot renjinessskyspat on January 22nd, 2011 04:37 pm (UTC)
1. Renji's questions for Urahara

2. How Byakuya met Hisana

3. Rukia's connection to the hougyoku
kanjo_girl: byakuya: you beautiful thingkanjo_girl on January 22nd, 2011 04:47 pm (UTC)
Agree so much with number one. It needs to be revealed.
andrew_jpandrew_jp on January 22nd, 2011 04:40 pm (UTC)
The origin of Orihime's powers. With Chad as an example it's likely that there's more to them than just being around Ichigo or the hougyoku.
_debbiechan_: orihime 341_debbiechan_ on January 22nd, 2011 04:44 pm (UTC)

I'm taking it as a given that Orihime is going to play a big role in this arc. At least I hope so. There are too many loose threads from HM that Kubo promised he'd pick up on (Hellverse movie booklet interview) and he did make good on his promise that Chad would be featured prominently eventually. I just want more on Hime now--yeah, Orihime's powers (go Tsubaki, go go go go go go!)
jpblackjpblack on January 22nd, 2011 06:50 pm (UTC)
I want dish on people. I want more insight on who they are, how they relate to others, and how their hearts connect. Byakuya and Yoruichi, Kenpachi's boys, The lieutenants, Akon's little team... I love the guidebooks and how they let us nibble on this stuff, but I am a man and I WANT TO EAT MEAT.

I guess to get more specific, Grimmjow's role. I want to see how this one-sided rivalry evolves. What will he do when he returns? His mantra was that it was instinct and nature for Hollows and Soul Reapers to fight, but will this change if Ichigo manages to outpower him one day? Will he find a new obsession? There's a lot of ways his character could swing, because he's not in the situation Ichigo's other "rivals" are in.
jpblackjpblack on January 22nd, 2011 06:54 pm (UTC)
Urrrrrgh, also, Mayuri's bodies. Cirucci and Dordonii? Not them? COME ON.
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 Lady Camille Catherine Cecily Lloyd-George X: Ginskilly_n_duff on January 22nd, 2011 07:07 pm (UTC)
1. RUKIA'S INTEL GATHERING: Seriously, how does she know so much about Ichigo's hollow? She's got a record of tracking down the answers to her questions (Talking with Ichigo about his mother, Asking Urahara about Quincies, following Orihime to the Vizard's secret training warehouse) and I for one would like to see who she spoke with about Ichigo's inner hollow. That's something I've always loved about her--she's not content to sit around and wait for things to happen, she has to go searching!

2. "WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE TALKING, TALK TO ME": HUUUGE tease thrown in when Ichigo mentioned that scene to his dad.

3. Renji's Questions

4. WHO IS DEAD?!? Seriously. Who made it, who didn't...is Ukitake ok?
hinodeh: sando is readyhinodeh on January 22nd, 2011 07:19 pm (UTC)
Wasn't Ukitake in "Bleach my Soul"? He was sitting outside while Shunsui, Kenpachi and Bya were getting scolded by Old Yama and he seemed to be doing pretty well.
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◦ a girl like me ◦: Bleach - Uryuu by hiru_no_tsukiafteriwake on January 22nd, 2011 07:53 pm (UTC)
I kind of want to see some resolution to Ishida wanting revenge on Mayuri. Even if it's that Ishida knows he's never going to get it, I want mention of it somewhere.
nehalenia: cute mayurinehalenia on January 22nd, 2011 08:18 pm (UTC)
While I don't in any way think Uryu has forgiven Mayuri for what he did to the Quincy and his grandfather, given what happened in HM when Mayuri basically saved them, I don't think he's going to get to take revenge. Probably Kubo considers it to have been handled through their fight in SS, where Uryuu won the fight even if he didn't kill Mayuri.

At this point, if anyone takes vengeance on Mayuri for the Quincy -- something I'm not at all sure will happen -- I suspect that Ryuuken is our best bet.
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(Anonymous) on January 22nd, 2011 07:58 pm (UTC)
The relationship between the ex-Captain of Squad 3 (Rojurou) and his Vice Captain (Chikane Iba) REALLY is bugging the hell outta me. All I've heard is that it was pretty...rough. I don't think she treated him nicely. Was it lack of respect due to him being much younger and still being a Captain?

And I want to see the tests they put Captain candidates through before promoting them. It's...quite a mystery. How exactly does a prospective Captain prove their worth?

Also, Hikifune. TOTALLY this issue.

What happened to Mashiro & Kensei? It's KILLING me.

And I wanna see what's up with the Vizards in the present time. Namely, I want to see if there's been clothing changes due to the damage from FKT.
nehalenia: chad interp dancenehalenia on January 22nd, 2011 08:14 pm (UTC)
Most of the questions that I really want answers to have been brought up except for this one:

When they were coming back from SS, Ichigo showed his friends his Substitute Shinigami badge. Uryuu got very thoughtful about it and wondered "Am I over-thinking this?" So, around 300 chapters ago we got a hint that Ichigo's badge wasn't just what it seemed, but we still don't know what the deal is. Now in the new arc we see the badge resurface, and that Ramen-Guy has one too. So, we get more hints of strangeness, but still no answer.

I think that and "when did Rukia get the Hobaby put in her" are the longest running questions I have.

Still waiting, Kubo!
jpblackjpblack on January 22nd, 2011 10:57 pm (UTC)
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but didn't she get the Big H after giving Ichigo her powers? Urahara gives her the gigai with it inside. I always kind of wondered why she never questioned him about that, or I'm completely wrong.
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Kyllaeriss on January 22nd, 2011 08:16 pm (UTC)
I want to know what Ulquiorra and Grimmjow meant by Orihime being changed.
sweetiedogood on January 22nd, 2011 08:42 pm (UTC)
1) How did ISSHIN lose his powers? Part of me wants to say "final getsuga tenshou" but if that's the case then why didn't they tell Ichigo "eh, you'll get your powers back eventually."

Mostly everything else was handled on this thread. I N E E D to know what happened to Neliel/ need her to come back, somehow. Pesche and Donchakacka I can do without.

The Visoreds... first off, I was terribly disappointed with their performance. 100 years and you can only wear your mask for 3 minutes? Were you training AT ALL?
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oh gallant piglet,: bacardicaraizome on January 22nd, 2011 09:25 pm (UTC)
Whole lotta loose ends in HM. Enough to bury many a GrimmKitty who decided to play with them. I'll save the typing by saying HM is one gigantic loose end, and parts of the tapestry are gonna fall off without it tied up.

Otherwise, missing limbs? We know YamaJii permanently lost one, but Ishida got his back. And Hitsugaya of the impenetrable plot armor got both his arm and leg back. So what about the two captains and one Vaizard who also lost an arm?

Yachiru? Is she destined to be comic relief until the end, or will we ever learn what that zanpakutou-with-training-wheels can do?

Last but not least: WHERE IS KON?
miss_ragdollmiss_ragdoll on January 22nd, 2011 10:21 pm (UTC)
OMG, it's true!! Where the heck is Kon?? maybe he's with Urahara... I don't think they've made something bad to that modified soul at SS.
Just wait, in the anime we'll get to see him with the rest of plushies ¬¬ damn.
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