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01 January 2011 @ 08:32 pm
Fascinating Kubo Press Conference  

Calling it a "summary of Jump Festa" from someone named Kakarouto, Tatai first posted the information from a French forum in the Interviews with Kubo section on BA on Dec 22 2010 here. desgaron  then posted the information on a thread here at bleachness with some legwork on verification of sources. What emerged is that Kakarouto has a friend who works at Square Enix Europe and because of this was able to attend a press conference at JF where the most amazing parts of the French report came. Those part are (copied from desgaron 's comment):



- Kubo has recently put his entire scenario on paper to make the story more exciting. (For the next 10 years)

- He works with his assistants and his publisher to expand the script and make it consistent to the maximum.

- He is very proud of the plot he had prepared and began to know how he wants to finish Bleach.

- In the first place, Grimmjow wasn't meant to be an important character, he was to quickly die. But as of now, his existence will eventually matter for the future of the manga.

- Normally the Arrancar arc shouldn't be too long. It's thanks to the craze for Japanese fans for the Arrancars, without it, the arc would have been shorter.

- The end of the Arrancar arc should have been the end of Bleach if it didn't work and if the publisher had asked Kubo to finish the manga quickly.


The information seems reliable but has yet to be confirmed by other attendees of said press conference.  If there are any Grimmjow fans out there with any information from his bloggers who know of about whether or not GJ's importance in the future of the manga has indeed been confirmed by Sensei, I'd appreciate sources.

*still hasn't slept since before New Year's Eve* XD





oh and ciaxsjes has updated with installment two of his summary of Hellverse here. So happy! Now I understand that omake btwn Ichigo and beret!Rukia about Ishida's role in the movie! <3 Can't wait for the next installment. The fights really do sound good; hope the movie does well in dvd sales even if it disappoints at box office.
 
 
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Super Nintendo Chalmers: Dance; Sode no Shirayukistrawberries_85 on January 2nd, 2011 02:39 am (UTC)
Holy moly, so there was some truth in Bleach ending after the Arrancar arc, it seems. XD LOL, I wonder how the arc would've turned out if it was shorter. The info about Grimmjow...hmm, it is quite fascinating, if this is true. After all these years of not seeing him I cannot imagine what sort of role he'd play in the plot, but let's wait and see. Though I am biased and do believe it would be better to re-introduce Ulquiorra, but whatever.

I'm hoping the story will become more enjoyable for me again. XD
_debbiechan_: Nnoitra TONGUE_debbiechan_ on January 2nd, 2011 02:46 am (UTC)

I'm having trouble buying that the Japanese loving the Arrancar forced the arc to become longer and not Kubo's own love for his own characters. The Japanese have always been about the Shinigami.

That said, I want GJ and Ulqui back ASAP XD. Mayuri--I may hate you and want Ryuuken's arrow in your head, but if you bring back Nnoi while you're at it, I'll tolerate you for another... oh... nine and a half years? XD

The story is enjoyable as heck for me right now.
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oh gallant piglet,: grimmjowaizome on January 2nd, 2011 02:43 am (UTC)
I hope all this gets confirmed sometime.
_debbiechan_: What would KUBO DO?_debbiechan_ on January 2nd, 2011 02:50 am (UTC)

People are saying the sources are reliable but I don't know them other than Zan who worked on part of the original post. I'm really mostly excited about this 10 YEAR PLAN and Kubo saying he already has an ending for Bleach. People can't really accuse him of pulling colored hankerchiefs out of odd orifices anymore if that's true--

then again, what's an artist who doesn't improvise every now and then? XD
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Brad C: toriyasu - chad-szayel otpdeathlike on January 2nd, 2011 03:08 am (UTC)
Clocks the machine Zero: 2008

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!
Issues: Ulquiorra-Yelllovely_masoka on January 2nd, 2011 04:57 am (UTC)
Well if that is true about Grimmjow, I hope that means something for Ulquiorra. Since they're the 2 espada everywhere in merch and in that popularity poll. And the fact Ulquiorra, imo, has just as much (and more) potential as a character then/as Grimmjow. :x

And wow, Bleach got close to being canceled? I wonder what changed that.

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_debbiechan_: Kensei toothbrush_debbiechan_ on January 2nd, 2011 12:36 pm (UTC)

I'm not at all sure that it got close to being cancelled; I'm assuming the implication is that the working idea behind the Arrancar arc was that it was that there was going to be a default ending should Bleach be needed to be ended quickly for any reason.
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nivek01: IchiRukinivek01 on January 2nd, 2011 05:01 am (UTC)
While this is exciting to read, I don't find it terribly surprising.

Kubo putting his plan on paper is less of a shock and more of a sigh of relief. Also, this means that Bleach is most definitely going to end in 10 years, not before, and not after.

A more consistant script will be nice, though I wonder if that means the disapearance of his famous "This will matter...in 200 chapters" lines. Though it took forever to make sense, if you go back and read the manga, it's tickling.

If KUBO is proud of a plot, you know it's good. And the way this is phrased- "Knows how he wants to finish Bleach" I think implies that he either didn't know how he wanted to end it before, or has changed his initial ending. (The latter wouldn't surprise me, considering he had originally planned for this to be 30 chapters. The ending has probably gone through multiple changes).

A return of Grimmjow will be nice-the ambiguousness of his death bothered me. He didn't really die, he just sorta...faded. It probably wont be another year till his return though, eh? (And, while I'm an UlquiHime shipper and really would like Ulqui-Emo to come back, I don't see how it would be possible at this point. Oh well.)

I think the Arrancar Arc taking so long was because of 1) It was a war. As in, ARMIES fighting. That would take a long time to eventually eradicate one side or the other, wouldn't it? and 2) I think Kubo, about the time of the Grimmjow fight, started having doubts about cutting off Bleach at the end of the Arrancar Arc. Again, I don't know whether or not this is actually how he thought, but it's at the end of the GrimmIchi fight that Bleach starts to become a bit ambiguous and plot holes REALLY start appearing. And anyway, I don't think 423 would have been Kubo's preferred ending anyway. It just...I don't know, it didn't give the sense of closure other endings could of. Bleach has been going for so long, I don't think Kubo could, or would be happy with, such a simple, open ending. When he ends it in 10 years, the ending chapter is going to be a 65 page blow out, and tie up EVERYTHING.
But I digress.

As for the fans liking the Arrancar too much for Kubo to just kill them off, I actually think it's possible. While it's true that the HM part of the arc seemed very unpopular (and the FKT was even worse) I think that, while the Arrancar as a whole were not liked, each individual arrancar had it's own fanbase. And I mean all of them. Me? I'm a huge fan of Dordonni. (You know...the one that always called Ichigo Niño?). I think it was that sort of thing. Each Arrancars fanbase was enough to keep the arc as a whole moving, even if at any one time, the majority was displeased. I mean, this is Tite Kubo, the man who said he'd draw Inoue the more Inoue hate he receives. As long as a character is slightly liked, he'll draw them.

Either way, this information gets me excited for some reason. Looking forward to the progression of this current arc, and where Kubo intends to take the story (Considering that the Arrancar arc was a good, what, five years? We've got another 3 after this one, I think.)
nehalenianehalenia on January 2nd, 2011 05:02 am (UTC)
That's interesting about Grimmjow being meant to die early. I wonder if it was fan reaction to the character that persuaded Kubo to keep him around, or if Kubo made the decision himself as he wrote/drew the story.

I too am a bit wary of that "everyone loved the Arrancar so much" statement. It still feels more like Kubo was the one who got so caught up in them and (maybe inadvertently) expanded the arc to give each character its due.

I'm not surprised that Grimmjow is alive and will show up again, but I'm hoping this means we'll also find out what happened to Nel and her fraccion, as well as other HM residents who I don't believe are quite finished yet. *cough*Ulquiorra*cough*
nivek01: IchiRukinivek01 on January 2nd, 2011 05:21 am (UTC)
As far as the Arrancar go, I've always been surprised that everyone is so ready to label them as dead. Grimmjow, Nel, and her fraccion just kinda disappeared. And Ulquiorra's dying words "If you don't kill me now, this will never end." Those words have haunted my nightmares for years. WHAT DO YOU MEAN, ULQUI-KUN?!

Now that the arc is all said and done, I can't bemoan Kubo for drawing it out. He gave each character good screen time, so no one seemed to be just there. It really felt like a war at times.
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nehalenianehalenia on January 2nd, 2011 05:25 am (UTC)
One more thing...
Another thing I wanted to comment on:

I saw that line about Ichigo's birth being surrounded by mystery, which both intrigues and worries me. It seems odd for a "birth" to be mysterious, and it brings up something I've wondered about before: what if Ichigo isn't really Isshin and Masaki's son?

It's a common trope in Western myth for a future hero (often royal or god-sired) to be given to foster parents and "hidden" so that he has a "normal" (rather than a pampered) childhood, e.g. King Arthur, Cuchulain, even Harry Potter) and doesn't know his own heritage. Personally, I'd hate it if Isshin wasn't really Ichigo's father, but given this "mystery" hint, it's possible.

The other option is that there's something special about Masaki. (I also wonder if "birth" is a correct translation, since that implies to me just the act of him being born.) Heck, maybe he's some sort of changeling?
_debbiechan_: What would KUBO DO?_debbiechan_ on January 2nd, 2011 01:31 pm (UTC)
Re: One more thing...

As many hints as Kubo has thrown around about Ichigo being ROYAL and covered in fleur de lis, lol, my guess is that the plot is going to go the other way--particularly since we've had that exchange between Aizen and Urahara about the Spirit King being more of a "thing" than a person.

I'm dying to know more about Masaki. Isshin backstory nao plz.
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balladbirdballadbird on January 2nd, 2011 05:44 am (UTC)
- Normally the Arrancar arc shouldn't be too long. It's thanks to the craze for Japanese fans for the Arrancars, without it, the arc would have been shorter.

Oh hell yeah! Take that, you gaggle of forum dwelling arrancar nay-sayers!


- In the first place, Grimmjow wasn't meant to be an important character, he was to quickly die. But as of now, his existence will eventually matter for the future of the manga.


*shrug* meh. Good for the Grimmjow fans, I guess.
pirottesse on January 3rd, 2011 08:00 pm (UTC)
Indeed !!! *^__^*
Astraea: rukialady_leia_solo on January 2nd, 2011 05:47 am (UTC)
I'm really loving the info about Grimmjow and it's good to know Kubo has a plan, but I'm already feeling old about the 10 years. I'll be 30 when it ends!
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Kim!: Mmm... Jump...spartydragon on January 2nd, 2011 06:26 am (UTC)
Wut? O_____________________o I dunno, something about this doesn't sit right.
Brad C: thanatos - shinedeathlike on January 2nd, 2011 05:13 pm (UTC)
Sparty... Aizen's bancouch, no one is sitting on it...
they're all just third eye blind lyricslackasexical on January 2nd, 2011 07:01 am (UTC)
IDK, I still doubt this. I don't feel like Kubo would just give away that GJ will be important for the future of Bleach, and I really question whether he would have continued the Arrancar arc only because of the fans - especially when he frequently speaks out against that kind of writing, and because popularity dwindled over HM.
desgaron on January 5th, 2011 05:13 pm (UTC)
The arrancar part seems to be legit in my book. In 2chan's japanese scripts the interview went like this:

10 years of Bleach
Sensei: As regards to that matter, the arrancar arc was longer than as planned.
Morita: Then in that case, character's unexpected activities were put in there?
Sensei: Grimmjow. ------

As an answer to the question why the arrancar arc was prolonged, he admitted that it was because of Grimmjow. Kubo's motivation to develop Grimmjow's character might have really been influenced by the fans, and if later on Kubo himself deemed that Grimmjow indeed needed a bigger role, he prolonged the arc for this reason.

Kubo has said that he draws his manga always as HE likes, and if he didn't, it would be a sin. I don't find it impossible that he found interest in Grimmjow's character along with the fans though. (Yes, Kubo unconsciously became a Grimmjow fan lol /JK)

Now about the thing of Grimmjow being important to the future.. Might be true, or might just be an interpretation. The BKT mod is firm that the said summary is 100% true. We don't have an actual transcript of the japanese to english, so we'll have to stick with what we have :)
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hinodehhinodeh on January 2nd, 2011 08:04 am (UTC)
About Grimmjow: I've seen some mangaka spoiler much worse at the Festa than this (see Kishimoto), so it might as well be true. Let's see how this turns out and when he will return to the story.

As an Arrancar fan, it's nice to hear that they were supposedly popular, but the arc itself really can't be, what with the poor volumes sales on Japanese Amazon.

I hope the other comments mean that the rest of Bleach will be better planned and less draggy than some huge chunks of the last arc. Let me dream, okay?
astridstarr00astridstarr00 on January 2nd, 2011 06:53 pm (UTC)
Just curious, but what were the Kishimoto spoilers?
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(Anonymous) on January 2nd, 2011 09:57 am (UTC)
(The end of the Arrancar arc should have been the end of Bleach if it didn't work and if the publisher had asked Kubo to finish the manga quickly )

He intended that ichigo in the end become human and lives in KK and rukia return to SS like nothing happened between them
_debbiechan_: KUKUKU_debbiechan_ on January 2nd, 2011 12:12 pm (UTC)
Well hello spammer-san anon shipper troll.

Actually what you're saying is not true per the report. If you read the French report, Kubo reportedly says that the planned ending for the Arrancar arc was quite different from the "Farewell Arms/Bleach My Soul" that appeared in the manga and one that he liked because it was "good"... he says, though, that the actual ending of Bleach, will be quite different.



Edited at 2011-01-02 12:37 pm (UTC)
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darkslover: Grouphug Komuidarkslover on January 2nd, 2011 12:23 pm (UTC)
,i>In the first place, Grimmjow wasn't meant to be an important character, he was to quickly die. But as of now, his existence will eventually matter for the future of the manga.</i>

*spazzes* Let this be true, dear lord Kubo!!!! LET IT BE TRUE AND I'LL HAVE MY KITTY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Main Gauche of Enlightenment: Kneesocks glasses pushvelvetsword on January 2nd, 2011 01:47 pm (UTC)
Kubo, plan 10 years ahead?! This is bollocks.
_debbiechan_: What would KUBO DO?_debbiechan_ on January 2nd, 2011 02:12 pm (UTC)

Kubo's reputation as a non-planner is widely exaggerated. Like all manga-ka writing under weekly deadlines and editorial pressures, he does stuffs at the last minute and he's said in interview, for example, that he didn't work out the ending of the Aizen/Ichigo battle or know exactly how he wanted to end this arc and that he didn't know if Ichigo was going to lose all his powers at the end of it. He's been forthright about saying how he's changed characters as they evolved over time--for example, he planned Gin to be creepy, then fangirls showed a romantic interest in him (Kubo: "I wish I were him") and then Gin became Rangiku's romantic interest, and one look at the pilot of Bleach will tell you that THINGS CHANGE because authorial intent is an organic process, not a static dictate.

But Kubo has also planned out plenty things years in advance before--he's stated that he's worked very very hard on the Bleach plot, originally wanting to start the story with the Shinigami and reworking it to start it in Karakura town, stating that when he thinks about the story he goes so far as to actually turn his music off (!!) and he's said plenty things in interview that show he's paid attention to the long-term story. No one capable of writing a serial manga and an arc like Soul Society can be accused of not being a planner--even if plot isn't Kubo's strong point--Bleach is and always will be a character-driven story.

The Arrancar arc went on too long. It dragged. If what was said at this press conference is true, it strikes me as apologetics. The reason the arc went on too long is that it lingered on character stories at the expense of the plot--sometimes this worked to a great poetic benefit when the story puddled for a while instead of flowing forward (I loved the Grimmjow backstory and the Nnoitra one). Sometimes the characters fought long battles for the sake of keeping busy while other characters did important things (the Szayel fight---DEAR LORD, I loved Szayel, his character, his grotesque humor and all the Renji and Ishida and even the controversial Nemu humiliation debate that came from there but damn SO MUCH FILLER).

Ok, Guildy, I'm rambling, the way Sensei can when he's turned on, but my point is that Kubo plans--and it wouldn't surprise me at all if his editors took him by the shoulders and said we've got to get a grip here and made him work out an arc outline...

10 years? I dunno about 10 whole freaking years, though. But people will say the wildest shit at press conferences. There may be a plan (hell, I have a rough 10 year life plan but it's not written down in detail) but I doubt it's anything in absolute specifics. I don't doubt there's another arc planned--Kubo's been saying for over a year he's had Unohana's fight planned out, that he's got plans for the bodies in Szayel's lab, etc...

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