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05 October 2010 @ 06:26 pm
Gin's Volume Poem (47)  

*is stocking up on tissues*

hey, while we wait for the scan, wanna talk about Gin's volume poem? We have some translations.







from here at BA:

「君が明日蛇となり
人を喰らい始めるとして
人を喰らったその口で
ボクを愛すと吠えたとしても
僕は果たして今日と同じに
君を愛すと言えるだろうか」

translation by pokerlulz:

You're going to turn into a snake tomorrow
Although you say you are going to start eating others
Even now, that mouth of yours which has devoured people
Still claims that it loves me
Can I remain like today
and still say I love you?



and this one from here by Terrazaru

You are becoming a snake tomorrow.
And as you start to devour people,
With that mouth that has eaten others,
You cry your love to me.
And the same as today, I do wonder.
Will I be able to say my love to you?


If you're going to mention current chapter spoilers in your comments, warn for SPOILER I guess.



I still don't really understand the current spoiler. I must be in total denial but the latest translation makes it sound like Gin's taken off, not that he's really dead. In any event, I'm all WAAAH because Sensei is like pushing all the angst buttons. He is a cruel cruel beautifully cruel man. The GinRan is KILLING me. Geez. I'm so killed. I'm not sure I can read this chapter--just Ohana's descriptions of the IchiRuki had me going sniffly and then of course the translations for this poem have to come out.

Can't there be a happy romantic end for once in Bleach? I know the Isshin backstory is coming up and I hope that will have laughs and good times but we all know how that ends, right. *chokes up*

 
 
 
Issues: Ulquihime-Fade Awaylovely_masoka on October 5th, 2010 11:42 pm (UTC)
Damn you Kubo, but you are defiantly a man I look up to when it comes to writing such amazing poems that's for sure.

And the spoilers...I'm actually kinda giddy for them since well I have more hope than I did last week. But IR ;0; Poor Ichigo.

_debbiechan_: NO EMO ZONE_debbiechan_ on October 6th, 2010 12:28 am (UTC)

I know what you mean about hope. The story is so open-ended with

SPOILER

SPOILER

SPOILER

SPOILER

Mayuri in Hueco Mundo--that could just mean anything! And the issue of the bodies in the lab (which Kubo promised would play a major plot role!) has yet to be answered... and... well, Orihime's whole question and character issues (love for Ichigo/why do I rely on him/when will she shoot Tsubaki) just were NOT dealt with in this arc so it's all up for the next one...

and obviously Ulqui's time is yet to come.

But I was so sure Gin would be alive that I'm not trusting my instincts that well right now and even though I know Ichigo and Rukia are meant to see each other again (Ichigo even said "see ya" or something like that), I'm just all... verklempt...

damn... and the scans aren't even out.

T___T

I need a headbutt from Isshin before I start to cry. Srsly. LOL.
(no subject) - lovely_masoka on October 6th, 2010 12:35 am (UTC) (Expand)
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Capellaakai_gekkou on October 5th, 2010 11:53 pm (UTC)
The poem still confuses me because I know it has to be told from Rangiku's POV to make sense, but the pronouns are all the ones Gin usually uses. Don't really know what to make of that.

As for the content, besides taking this to mean that GinRan is canon now I don't want to go deeper into it, because...

SPOILER!!!!



...I don't even have enough strength left to keep clinging to my denial.

Usually I latch onto every shred of hope, but I don't think there are any left. (As for the 'disappearing' (消える - kieru), as far as I know that kanji can indeed be used as an euphemism for dying, so yeah...)
I'm literally too exhausted to retain any optimism.

It might be my sadness at seeing my favorite character die doing the talking here, but I stand by my opinion that Gin's death could have been handled better (are we ever gonna get to hear Kira's thoughts on the matter?).

Oh, and please don't get me talking about everyone else apparently conveniently surviving. -_-

I'm also a bit disappointed that so much time seems to have gone by (I've only skimmed over the spoilers) that all the reaction we get to see after Gin's confirmed death is Rangiku fondly reminiscing.

The Ichigo/Rukia farewell is only the last stab Kubo's hurting the shredded remains of my heart with (at least I know it's not the end for them).
Ananomoreprinces on October 5th, 2010 11:54 pm (UTC)
That's what confuses me too. The first part seems as if it's Gin's POV but the middle seems to be Ran's and then back to Gin? Maybe it's a conversational poem...
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Nardz (Rukia-chan)kookynella on October 6th, 2010 12:16 am (UTC)
Waaaah!! Sensei, you write such beautiful tragic poems for you're equally beautiful (flawed), tragic characters & I love you more for it, even though it makes me tear up.
tamzinconquistadora on October 6th, 2010 12:24 am (UTC)
This poem is rather... sexual, isn't it? For me, it can be read from either Rangiku or Gin's point of view and have different meanings. Every time I read it, I like it more.
_debbiechan_: Matsumoto_debbiechan_ on October 6th, 2010 12:38 am (UTC)

They're a sexy pair.

And yes, when you're talking about snakes and mouths, there's no escaping the sexual symbolism. Those two had it going. It was a tragic romance in every sense.
 Lady Camille Catherine Cecily Lloyd-George X: Ginskilly_n_duff on October 6th, 2010 01:29 am (UTC)
Arg. Stupid sexy Gin.

It's like he's wearing nothing at all...nothing at all...

Worst chapter wait ever. Does he make it?! DOES HE NOT?!?!
Super Nintendo Chalmers: Stupid sexy Flandersstrawberries_85 on October 6th, 2010 02:12 am (UTC)
Oh, I see the reference there. :p

Uh yeah, that's all I wanted to say...love your icon btw. :D
(no subject) - skilly_n_duff on October 6th, 2010 02:33 am (UTC) (Expand)
Birdinkedfeathers on October 6th, 2010 02:07 am (UTC)
I've always loved GinRan, but I never imagined anything save for a tragic ending for these two.
Super Nintendo Chalmers: Ichiruki - soulmatesstrawberries_85 on October 6th, 2010 02:15 am (UTC)
SPOILERS, SPOILERS, SPOILERS.

I think the poem is quite beautiful and tragic. Makes me wish I could write nice poems. Why do I fail at being creative with words?
Uh anyways...I never thought much of Gin but I feel strangely sad that he's probably dead. Kubo, can you please change your mind and give a slightly more happy ending for GinRan? :( The Ichiruki of this chapter reminds me of the end of the SS arc, but with a more tragic ending of course. The ending of the arc and the break give me this feeling that Bleach is undergoing a reboot or something, lol.
SilvaNoir: richiexilvrin on October 6th, 2010 02:29 am (UTC)
*cries forever*

:(
peca_06peca_06 on October 6th, 2010 02:31 am (UTC)
OMG! Deb... That poem is sooooooo beautiful and I don't remember one that clearly talks about "LOVE" as this one does? Am I wrong? .

SPOILER:
I'm all emotional just by the sound of the spoilers too...
I'm sure Gin is still living... It was all a bit confusing though.
Kubo sure is hitting some buttons lately T________T...
I'm sure the art will be gorgeous, but I'm so afraid to read it, because I know I will just burst into tears (or self combust), when I see Ichigo and Rukia's expressions. It is probably only going to get worst on the angst scale from here on. I know I've been waiting for the Isshin back story anxiously, but it sure sounds like *GAH* it is going to be litter with both fun and tragic sadness. Lots of stuff that we still have to know though... I wonder if sensei will come back in two weeks to give us some answers about some espadas and other thoughts before he starts another arc. Like maybe a transitional chapter...?
(Anonymous) on October 6th, 2010 03:58 am (UTC)
oh god, just shoot me already sensei, I mean how much angst can we stand? I'm already in tears you sadist!!! I luv this man. and snakes.
april_ms on October 6th, 2010 07:33 am (UTC)
And above the poem we can see his smile...Oh nooooooooooo.....sniff..sniff..(tissue all over my room)...I'm gonna miss his smile (smile that has come from the mouth that has eatan others :bawl)

How sadist you are Sensei when you left us hanging for two weeks with

spoiler..
spoiler..

GinRan and Ichirukis's angst....:bawl again.....:cry
manonlechat: gin: i must go this way~manonlechat on October 6th, 2010 12:23 pm (UTC)
I'm even sadder today than I was yesterday.

Shoot.

:(
Maria: bleach_ginreynardine on October 6th, 2010 12:25 pm (UTC)
I'm doing a bit of a fast and loose translation. The ones above are pretty direct, but makes for rather awkward English.

Tomorrow, you are going to become a snake.
Although you will start to devour people,
That mouth which has devoured others
Cries its love to ME.

Likewise, today, I probably might be able to say I love you.


Notes:
1. as others have said before, the pronouns are all masculine. The fact that pronouns are being used at all signifies emphasis. Often, they are left out in Japanese.

2. The boku (I, masculine, fairly polite, usually how Gin refers to himself) in the third line is written in katakana rather than kanji. That is also a sign of emphasis, which is why I capitalized it.

3. It looks like the structure of the poem is that in the first part, Gin is referring to what he thinks is (Rangiku's) situation. What he thinks she might think?

In the second part, he says in that same situation, he would probably say I love you. In a question form, which is indirect (polite), but he usually talks that way.

4. My take: If he could, he would tell her he loves her, but given all the bad things he's done, it doesn't seem possible to tell her.

Okay, similar situation in English: someone cusses and someone else asks "Would you kiss your mother with that mouth?"

IMHO, YMMV
_debbiechan_: GIN_debbiechan_ on October 6th, 2010 12:34 pm (UTC)

Okay, similar situation in English: someone cusses and someone else asks "Would you kiss your mother with that mouth?"


OH THANK YOU SO MUCH!

THAT MAKES THE POEM FOR ME!

Yes, that does it. I understand now.
(no subject) - manonlechat on October 7th, 2010 04:10 am (UTC) (Expand)
songsparrw1songsparrw1 on October 6th, 2010 05:12 pm (UTC)
spoiler alert for vol 47
I think the storyline for the two is precious and mirrors real life. Sure it is fantasy, but who doesn't know a tragic couple with so many issues? Kubo's characters are complex like real people.

I don't think we've seen the last of Gin. There will be backstory, I think. There may even be complications and plot twists that resurrect him in some way. Silver-san is just too rich a mine to abandon.
Silvia: partnersnightshade_ave on October 7th, 2010 01:26 am (UTC)
Ohgod, I didn't look at spoilers this week until I saw a fanart from RuskyBoz and the IchiRuki just from the small clips are killing me. I just... I have never, ever cried over a manga before (I've only ever cried during two movies, and you'd never guess them!), and I'm teary-eyed from small scans and snippets. I don't think I'll be able to hold back when I read the chapter.

My god Kubo, you've melted my icy cold heart. I need to find something to distract myself with in this two week interim because my insides are just being dumped all over the place. *le sigh* I know in my heart Ichigo and Rukia will reunite but this goodbye is just so tough, it's a lot harder than their last parting. ;_;