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15 September 2010 @ 07:24 pm
Bleach 420 is up  
Bleach 420 is up at Mangastream.

** REMINDER **: As always, remember not to Tweet to Kubo about this chapter or using art from this chapter until Monday.




Those of us who said that there was something wrong with Ichigo from the start - a fact that became increasingly obvious over the last few chapters - were right. As were those of us who also said: 'Be patient, Kubo will give us an explanation as to why Ichigo has suddenly become so different. He won't throw away vital character development.' The two weren't mutually exclusive positions.

It should be noted that those who were wary about the spoilers saying "Hollow Ichigo" (or "White Ichigo") crying and wanting to protect Ichigo were also right - the last time that we saw Ichigo's inner world, Tensa Zangetsu was still merged with Hollow Ichigo, and it made no sense that they'd suddenly separate. And this chapter confirms it - it's not "Hollow Ichigo" by himself who wanted to protect Ichigo, but Tensa Zangetsu and perhaps Tensa Zangetsu with Hollow Ichigo. (pikeish also pointed out that the spoiler script used "watashi" for "I," which is a word Zangetsu uses, not Hollow Ichigo.) (Personally, I think that Hollow Ichigo's threats weren't idle - he'll take over the minute Ichigo shows weakness, as he did on the dome, becoming IchiThing.)

Anyway, so Tensa Zangetsu wanting to protect Ichigo... so many people called it, I can't name how many XD It was really obvious, huh? Still, it was very nice for Kubo to have Tensa Zangetsu say it explicitly. And the tears... poor Tensa Zangetsu. :/

I like how Ichigo was able to read "sadness" in Tensa Zangetsu/Shiro's sword. It goes back to what Ichigo said to Gin some chapters ago, about being able to read the 'heart' of his opponents by fighting them. Of course, Ichigo should be the one to understand his own zanpakutou, but clearly he hadn't been, prior to coming to his inner world. He didn't realize the terrible state of his inner world, after all, nor why Tensa Zangetsu was at first angry, then later crying for him. But he understands that TZ is sad, at least, and realizes he must throw away his sword and let himself be impaled by Tensa Zangetsu in order to progress.

And holy crap at Ichigo's final form of Getsuga Tenshou. He'll lose his shinigami powers by using it? That's why it's final? No wonder Ichigo is so calm, so resigned. Losing his powers is not something he wants. Yet in order to protect Karakura and defeat Aizen, he will have to part with his powers; it's necessary, but not something Ichigo embraces. Many of us wondered what Ichigo would have to accept or give up in exchange for his current strength - for it to be his shinigami powers, though, I don't think anyone saw that coming. That Ichigo carries around a sadness, a lack of passion - it makes sense since he knows he's going to lose all the power that he had so desperately yearned for, ever since his mother died, by using this final attack. How fitting, then, that his final form is "Mugetsu," which means "moonless sky." Please see the informative posts by mezzo_marinaio over at this link and by pikeish over at this link in the IchiRuki FC at BA for more information on "mugetsu" and its meaning. Clearly, this is a reference to how Ichigo, in using this attack, will lose his shinigami powers - i.e., Zangetsu, the 'moon.'

Ichigo's final form looks... like Arucard from Hellsing to me. I'm sure others can name multiple other manga and anime characters Ichigo resembles. XD But it's interesting that Aizen before said (while BSing?) that perhaps shinigami merging with their zanpakutou was a higher evolution that shinigami were meant to achieve. And now Ichigo becomes "getsuga" - becomes his attack? Well, we don't see Ichigo holding Tensa Zangetsu anymore; at the very end, it looks like only a blade materializes in Ichigo's hand.

Way too late, now Aizen starts to realize just how far above Ichigo is over him.

Since Bleach isn't anywhere near over, as tragic and moving as this chapter is, let's begin speculation on how Ichigo will regain his powers after losing them. pogo2468 pointed out that Isshin may have lost his own shinigami powers this very same way - after all, Isshin also knows the final Getsuga Tenshou and its price. Maybe Isshin will be involved somehow in restoring Ichigo's powers? Additionally, Rukia and Ishida have also lost their powers before. Ishida's a Quincy, so there's obvious differences, but... And one wonders if Rukia, being so important to Ichigo (and in giving him his powers to begin with), as well as being the 'white moon,' as dubbed by Kubo himself, will play any role. Or if it'll be the nakama generally.

Anyway, I personally love this chapter~ So much angst fodder. Ichigoooo. ;_; ;_; ;_;
 
 
 
Phoenix Hawk's Deep Corefmphoenixhawk on September 15th, 2010 11:35 pm (UTC)
Okay, just read it. Damn. So, is this the end of the series? Will we see Ichigo as the next rescue target? Or will there be something that will restore his powers? Or, is this what Kiskue was talking about with Isshin? Hmmmmm. Very interesting.

Though, this would be kind of a cheap way to end the series. Sure, Aizen bites it, but then Ichigo would have to die. I still feel that there's an out somewhere.
qwirky on September 16th, 2010 12:29 am (UTC)
No, Kubo's said he has some more arcs after this. So it's not the end anytime soon. Especially not when the series is celebrating its upcoming 10th anniversary XD
Kaitorukaitoru on September 15th, 2010 11:40 pm (UTC)
Not gonna lie

when Tensa Zangetsu started crying and telling Ichigo he wanted to protect him

my BL sensors were tingling. I know, I'm horrible.
qwirky on September 16th, 2010 12:30 am (UTC)
Days after the chapter came out with the new Tensa Zangetsu, there was already BL pictures of Ichigo and Tensa Zangetsu. <3 Don't worry. I read this chapter and went, "Hmm, more TS and Ichigo yaoi is forthcoming~" XD
There's no Love Without you: IchiWTFne_wayz on September 15th, 2010 11:42 pm (UTC)
Well, aside from some Valentine in my Bleach and the amount of innuendo I found between the Ichi/ShiroGetsu convo, I couldn't help feeling sad with this chapter. Ichigo's despair is so great, I wonder how he will handle losing his powers (if he really does).

And Aizen looking like Venom there? So nasty. I highly doubt Ichigo is gong to die or something like that, but Im sure that Kubo still has some Ichi evolving to do...

...Now, am I the only one who is going absolutely INSANE waiting for Rukia? Somehow I now she will make it all better
qwirky on September 16th, 2010 12:32 am (UTC)
You can't have boys be that pretty, saying touchy feely things, and not feel at least some innuendo. XD

Poor Ichigo ;_; ;_; ;_; He's clearly so sad already... I wonder how we'll see him afterward, too. The angst. There'll be buckets full of it.

Rukiaaaaa. I don't think she'll make it all better, but I can't see her not having a role. Especially not with a final attack like "mugetsu" ("moonless sky") and her being the white moon. Plus, her giving Ichigo his powers to begin with. Plus her just being the closest character to Ichigo, period.
(no subject) - nagasasu on September 16th, 2010 01:51 am (UTC) (Expand)
Kim!spartydragon on September 15th, 2010 11:43 pm (UTC)
I betcha this explains Isshin. Betcha it takes oh, say, 20 years to recover after using the final form. This is why Isshin knew about it, this is why he's been AWOL.

Ichigo's gonna have a hard time adjusting to being normal. Should be interesting.

Well, provided he either just asploded Aizen to smithereens or knocked him into next Tuesday or something and he takes a while to track down.
Ananomoreprinces on September 15th, 2010 11:54 pm (UTC)
Sort of along those lines, I wonder if this is a prereq to becoming part of the Royal Guard. I'm not saying that Isshin is, but it seems like it would be something SS would do. Who best to protect the King of SS than a bunch of shinigami who are incapable of hurting the King using their (by that point uber strong) shinigami abilities but still hold the knowledge of centuries and/or millennia of battles. It's the same thinking behind having eunuchs serve/guard a harem.
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Yami Jay: Bleach // Ichigo - Orangeyami_jay on September 15th, 2010 11:45 pm (UTC)
My mind just went blank after reading this chapter.

As of now, I don't know WHAT to expect from Kubo after this chapter. Seriously, Ichigo's new bankai form is OMG! WTF? kind of thing. And what will happen to Ichigo after that, no one knows... But man! That chapter is amazing.

Love the fact Aizen is fricking out! I find it completely hilarious.
SUPERMULLET™: Random: HATE EVERYTHINGthanatoast on September 15th, 2010 11:47 pm (UTC)
See icon.
(Anonymous) on September 16th, 2010 02:18 am (UTC)
I am poss. in love with your username.

And I'm torn on whether I like this or not yet. I am firmly in 'meh' tier at this point, but I can see where you might dislike it intensely.

--Guildy
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(no subject) - _debbiechan_ on September 16th, 2010 10:11 am (UTC) (Expand)
the "angela needs to update LJ more often" show.: bleach:  WHATabyschan on September 15th, 2010 11:56 pm (UTC)
Man, I knew it'd be a fucked up chapter for being chapter 420.

Kubo delivered.
qwirky on September 16th, 2010 12:38 am (UTC)
"Fucked up" is a pretty good description of it. XD I mean it in a good way, but I know not everyone agrees.

... Your icon is amazing.
_debbiechan_: Rukia_debbiechan_ on September 16th, 2010 12:13 am (UTC)
Everyone's BL sensors are tingling because the resonance is there. Shirosaki rose up to protect someone on the dome alright and the tease was that it was for Orihime and some fans were still hoping that Shiro would admit this (although most had already guessed that Ichigo's inner selves had some other motive that didn't have anything to do with love of a girl). See Serenity comment here.

OH THIS CHAPTER. I've been babbling about it with friends since spoilers first came out. I'm so exhausted now. Don't worry dudes about the manga ending--Sensei's promised at least another arc.

It's amazing to see the character designs. Aizen's final form wasn't angelic after all--the butterfly became really creepy. Those holes have some gooey Tousen bug-eye quality going on there. It was that viscous bug guts look that gave me nightmares in Tousen's design. And Ichigo's new form--well, I've seen thumbs up from fanbois all over and the fangirls are drowning in their own drool.

What's gotten me most is the idea that the idea of sacrifice and FINAL Getsuga. ShiroTensa (or whatever you want to call that combo of Shirosaki and Zangetsu--Annie says he's Zangetsu because he uses "watashi" to refer to himself and not "ore" like Shirosaki) crying for Ichigo's fate is so compelling. There's Ichigo in the image of something stunningly powerful again (as was the case with the IchiThing beast on the dome) but something less that the dashing heroic self who rescued Rukia from the firebird. There's a sense of tragedy and sadness. All of us who sensed that in the previous weeks were right--there was something "off" with Ichigo. We felt sad for him--we were on to something.

People are already speculating that this Final technique is how Isshin lost his powers for 20 years and that Ichigo will lose his. Of course fans are jumping the gun and wondering how Ichigo will get them back already--there's Rukia who can always stab him again to bring things full circle and give him her powers like she did in the beginning (except Kubo doesn't tend to repeat himself), there's Orihime could "undo" things (and maybe make up for her part in bringing forth a monster on the dome?), there's Ishida who could jump-start Ichigo's reiatsu the way he did when he wore Zangetsu on his forehead in that early chapter, there are the magical devices of Urahara and Mayuri--there's even Ichigo's own instant regeneration power!

But whatever restores Ichigo (we all know he will never remain powerless for long in Bleach!), there's no doubt going to be some angst ahoy.

If Ichigo loses his powers, then Kubo's REALLY played the Deicide title for everything it's worth--the title refering to Ichigo "tugging his god out" was one of the options in a bleachness poll a while back, but I never had any idea it may mean the literal DEATH of Ichigo as a shinigami!

Also, my friends and I have had a field day with the meaning of mugetsu which means a moonless sky. It's one of the biggest cues for Rukia that I've ever heard, and the first thing I thought of was the poem Kubo wrote long ago for Rukia the moon who erases the night

Fun to be had at

THIS POST

and this one

and this one too!



qwirky on September 16th, 2010 12:47 am (UTC)
I guess my definition of "protect" is different. I think Shiro isn't interested in "protecting" Ichigo so much as "preserving" Ichigo's life, whereas Zangetsu actually cares about Ichigo as an individual and a person. Zangetsu worries about Ichigo's inner turmoil; he hates the rain, presumably because of that part he shares with Ichigo. Shiro, IMO, just wants to make sure his host doesn't die XD Serenity's comment is still interesting; I just am not sure Shiro would use the word 'protect' for Ichigo.

Aizen is groooossss. Ichigo's new form, I'm not really partial to. I don't mind it, I just get too many vibes from other manga characters looking at it, haha.

The angst is going to be off the charts after this. I can't wait. I looove Ichigo and I hate to see him sad or upset... but I also looove Ichigo character development, and I have no doubt Kubo will make it delicious and worth our while.

Maybe Kubo's killing two gods with one stone? D:

Syn's post is so amazing~ The IchiRuki FC was so busy yesterday and has so many good, insightful posts. <3333 I'm trying not to put so many hopes on Rukia's involvement after this, but... Kubo hasn't been subtle with these images and names he's created (Ichigo being the black sun, Rukia the white moon, Zangetsu the black moon). And it's obvious to anyone who hasn't blinded themselves that Ichigo and Rukia have the strongest relationship in Bleach; it'd just make sense she'd be involved.

The nakama, too - after all, Ichigo took so much on himself in Hueco Mundo, wanting to save everyone on his own, and didn't rely on or trust on his nakama. nehalenia pointed out that some had been wondering about the nakama ever reaching/catching up to Ichigo's power level - now it'll be reversed. Ichigo will be the one powerless, having to depend on his nakama instead. And karenai had a hilarious image yesterday, which I didn't include for fear of people sporking me for ruining their angstfest, of Ichigo riding on Rukia's back while he's powerless. XD

Edited at 2010-09-16 12:50 am (UTC)
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maewiemaewie on September 16th, 2010 12:18 am (UTC)
Anyone else thinking Ichigo might actually "die" from loosing his powers? Or..he is already dead:P Urahara cut his chain a long time ago. He might end up in Soul Society, or any other wierd place.
_debbiechan_: Ichigo cross-eyed_debbiechan_ on September 16th, 2010 12:24 am (UTC)

See, I'm thinking he's already dead, like Isshin was in SS so he's just going to end up powerless but who knows? We could all be wrong! LOL. MAYBE HE'LL BE A-OK (BUT ARGH, I somehow doubt it, Sensei can be so cruel to his favorites) Some people are speculating he may lose the ability to see spirits the way Isshin couldn't even see spirits at the beginning of the manga--boy that would suck bigtime.

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(Anonymous) on September 16th, 2010 12:20 am (UTC)
It looks as though [but you never know with Kubo -.-;] Aizen's wish was to transcend hollow and shinigami I guess, attaining LOLWTFGODLIKE powers. Looks like that wish has turned him into a monster =/
Ah, Ichigo... carrying such a dead weight of losing your powers with Mugetsu[assuming bang, all his powers gone after he uses it]. After all that transformation lark [Aizen really does look similar to Venom, doesn't he?] one black swipe and... something's gonna happen. I'd want to speculate, but I've no ideas atm.
sidonzo on September 16th, 2010 12:22 am (UTC)
I still think that it is both Zangetsu and Shiro that want to protect Ichigo. They were fused at that point; it wasn't Zangetsu alone. I think there is a reason for that. Of course Shiro's way of protecting Ichigo are very hollow-like and as such not very healthy. The sentiment is the same though.
sidonzo on September 16th, 2010 12:26 am (UTC)
I just want to add...

Of course Shiro wants to protect Ichigo, out of a sense of self-preservation of course. If Ichigo ceases to exist so does he.
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(Anonymous) on September 16th, 2010 12:34 am (UTC)
Hrmmhrmmhrmmm...hurhhmmmm...*can't produce coherant speech*

Hrmmm-AHG! Phew! Okay...first thing first Ichigo's new look...

I mentioned during the spoilers that I thought that Ichigo looked like he was wrapped in bandages...after close inspection it looks more like a cracked shell almost...odd...

Also future prediction time...Aizen is not going to die after that attack. Why? Am I crazy?! No, least I don't think so... It’s because he's Aizen and he always has to get the final word even before his impending demise, he has to say one more thing for us to hate him before he exits, because he's Aizen.

Yes Aizen's going to get really beat up from that attack, but he's going to be clinging to life relying on the Hokon-Ho-...magic wishing rock… and he's going to be ranting on how his magic rock loves him so much and that he won't loose and that he is the superior being and blablablah...all while Ichigo is down for the count. BUT! The rock is going to EAT him in order to preserve it'self and Aizen will finally say "NOOOOOOooooooo!" as all villains should say before they die...

And then after eating it's former master the Ho-stone will take a nap nesseled in our hero's hair. <3
qwirky on September 16th, 2010 12:59 am (UTC)
It’s because he's Aizen and he always has to get the final word even before his impending demise, he has to say one more thing for us to hate him before he exits, because he's Aizen.
Good point. He'll have some parting words, at least, beyond "graaaaagh, you suuuuuuccckkk!!1!!" Whether that'll make him a more interesting character, who knows. *bets on not* But he surely will have more to say, sadly. ;_;

And then after eating it's former master the Ho-stone will take a nap nesseled in our hero's hair. <3
... that sounds amazingly, wrongly adorable D: Like a little baby chocobo. ;_;
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Rubica: soifon spinetherpants on September 16th, 2010 12:34 am (UTC)
If this is how Isshin lost his powers damn he must've looked even more awesome using it

But what did he use it on?

Also it almost seems like Isshin's powers came back with time so.....back to the Inbetween world?
oh gallant piglet,: isshikenaizome on September 16th, 2010 12:43 am (UTC)
Oh WOW. Now you've got me thinking what Isshin must look like using this. I'm not sure the universe could handle that level of concentrated sexiness.
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Evaanimeangel4eva on September 16th, 2010 12:49 am (UTC)
Ichigo identified himself as a Substitute Shigamni the entire time. Perhaps this is a chance for him to restore them on his own without anyone's help (of course in this case, I would include Isshin since he was the one who told Ichigo that this technique existed in the first place) to become a pure shigamni. XD;;; Of course that might only work if you die for real.

This at the same time also makes me think of a theory that perhaps the former shigamni who weld their zanpakuto's and successfully achieve to become one with them - thus their final for as said... It may be possible that they would replace their Zanpakuto's individual existence and thus become the next Zanpakuto spirit - AFTER they pass away, otherwise XD; it wouldn't work since Isshin is still around.

Err that may have sounded confusing.
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qwirky on September 16th, 2010 01:08 am (UTC)
He DOES look like Alucard, when he was found in the basement. I agree ^_^
He's the first one I thought of when I saw the new Ichigo :x That hair! Those bandages! Arucard in the basement with little Integra! (Then again, I didn't get any of the other references people mentioned at BA XD)

It makes you wonder what Isshin did to reach that state, and who he fought doing so...
It surely does. A previous threat as powerful as Aizenchou? Hmmmm.

Rukiaaaaaaaaaaaaa~!
oh gallant piglet,: ALLONaizome on September 16th, 2010 12:59 am (UTC)
Also, on an off note: I wonder of Ohana is still calling Aizen "Ai-chan". *is shot*
qwirky on September 16th, 2010 01:09 am (UTC)
lmao~ What, you don't think Ai-chan's new form is cuuuute and moe? XD
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(Anonymous) on September 16th, 2010 01:03 am (UTC)
I'm not thrilled with the possibility of Ichigo being all angsty again since he has been for most of Bleach, however this is the type of moment I love most in stories. The hero sacrificing a big part of themselves in order to save something, also the fact that his father has probably done something similar makes it hit harder.

On a humorous side note Ichigo's new form covers his nose so he doesn't have to smell Aizen's shampoo. That look Aizen has is also terrible publicity for Bad Spirits Fragrance for Men but only a monster would wear it I guess.
qwirky on September 16th, 2010 01:16 am (UTC)
Ichigo's a teenager~ They're supposed to be angsty by nature! XD

however this is the type of moment I love most in stories. The hero sacrificing a big part of themselves in order to save something
Agreed :D I don't look forward to Ichigo's angst so much as the development he gets out of it. Angsty Ichigo can be... trying, to put it mildly. Which is why it's nice when a character can perk him up, either by slapping the angst out of him or giving him hope that he can grow stronger.

also the fact that his father has probably done something similar makes it hit harder
I wonder if Ichigo's realized yet that Isshin probably has gone through this same ordeal :x There are probably other things on his mind at the moment but... Isshin should understand, at least, what his son's going through.
peca_06peca_06 on September 16th, 2010 01:10 am (UTC)
Very short, but very powerful chapter. Ichigo has been drawn by Kubo sensei with what it looks like Shoujo style eyes on the latest chapters, don't you think? Very dark, with bigger irises, very emotional eyes. He is definitely deep in sadness (and he noticed it on Shiro/TS sword, which it is part of his soul after all). My heart aches for his obvious sacrifice, and seeing him indeed totally resigned to his fate puts a knot in my throat. Whatever it takes to stop Aizen -____-.
For now it is going to be hell for Ichigo T________T. I personally can't wait to see his journey after this new "beginning".
qwirky on September 16th, 2010 01:51 am (UTC)
The eyes don't lie. At least, not the way Kubo draws them XD

For now it is going to be hell for Ichigo T________T. I personally can't wait to see his journey after this new "beginning".
Yep. I'm so excited (and anxious) for what's coming next :x Excited for the story and for Ichigo's development, anxious for Ichigooooo~ The poor, pure-hearted, kind boy who, even though he's fallen down a lot along the way and made many mistakes, has given up so much of himself. T_T
Silvia: partnersnightshade_ave on September 16th, 2010 02:19 am (UTC)
I don't even know what to say, I've been blown away... "Deicide" never referred to Aizen. Damn, Kubo did it again, he pulled the rug out from under us just like he did in the SS arc when Aizen shows up not dead and starts killing everyone.

I can't wait to see what the future holds for Ichigo. It'll be rough but he'll be like a phoenix who rises from the ashes--newer, stronger, better for all that he's gone through.

And Rukia will be there to support him. /shameless IchiRuki fan forever <3
qwirky on September 16th, 2010 04:40 am (UTC)
"Deicide" never referred to Aizen.
I'm not sure about that. Unless Aizen survives somehow - which I seriously doubt - I think it's more a 'two for one' special. XD Basically, it refers to more than one character - Aizen, which was obvious from the start, but also Ichigo, which was somewhat less obvious. Some members of this community predicted earlier that "deicide" could refer to Ichigo, based on the chapter 'Tug Your God Out', and that seems to be freakishly accurate~

Ichigo will grow and become stronger from this. It's just the journey he has to take to reach that point that will be trying and potentially anxiety-inducing :D
(Anonymous) on September 16th, 2010 02:21 am (UTC)
To be honest, the "subtle" yaoiness of this chapter doesn't make me happy at all. Sorry.
ruinin fuckin' everythingallelujah on September 16th, 2010 03:06 am (UTC)
Yaoi? IT'S SELFCEST.
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(Anonymous) on September 16th, 2010 02:31 am (UTC)
Mrr.
Not quite sure how I feel about this chapter.

I think it's an interesting start, but as a means to an end itself I'm pretty lukewarm about it. I've been bitching pretty much non-stop since the Dome about the pacing, and while this is definitely a shakeup, I'm not entirely sure I could say I like it.

I'm not sure I could pinpoint exactly what leaves me so less-than-enthusiastic about all of this, but I guess it goes back yet again to the fact that we see very little to none of Ichigo's inner monologue in HM arc, in comparison to SS arc, where we heard it constantly. I always knew what Ichigo was thinking in SS arc-- half the time I could not fucking tell you what was going on in his head in HM arc. It feels like all this is sort of telegraphed in-- I'm not being shown what Ichigo is feeling.

God, I sound like such a downer. In any case, while I'm not one to go into (^________^) OMG RUKIA TEIM!11!!!1! in most cases, I have to say that the image that the name 'mugetsu' conveys is fairly indicative of the symbolism Kubo has set up, to the point where I'd be surprised if nothing came of it.

Yours, being a party pooper
--Guildy
secila80secila80 on September 16th, 2010 06:20 am (UTC)
Re: Mrr.
Maybe this will help with the downerness (maybe not, nothing wrong with feeling the downerness):
You're right. The further we moved from the SS arc the less we heard from Ichigo's head. I felt this was due more to Ichigo's 'negative character development' (lost for a better term here) than to Kubo just not taking time to show us what was going on in there. Ichigo just didn't do a lot of thinking during the HM arc. His position -- hating his inner hollow while depending on it's power, etc. -- put him in the way of some serious self-loathing. I don't think he wanted to process anything other than "fight, slash, protect, defeat, rwar!". At least, that is how I understood the lack of inner monologue (especially considering how much inner monologue we got from Ichigo in the SS arc). That understanding is a big reason why I am so excited about the manga's present developments.
Destinietouched_venus on September 16th, 2010 03:12 am (UTC)
Not sure if anyone else has said or thought this as of yet, but my husband and I were discussing this chapter this evening and we wondered if Ichigo loses his shinigami powers after using Final GT will he then become a full hollow? Then someone would have to kill Ichigo. Hubby said that he felt the way things were turning out seemed remarkably a lot like Dragonball where the hero had to kill himself in the end after becoming too powerful to exist.

Loved this chapter and I'm looking forward to seeing what actually happens.
ruinin fuckin' everythingallelujah on September 16th, 2010 03:17 am (UTC)
But he defeated the combination of his hollow and himself- so wouldn't he lose all his powers?
(no subject) - touched_venus on September 16th, 2010 03:25 am (UTC) (Expand)
erisalia on September 16th, 2010 03:53 am (UTC)
I have a theory that perhaps the houguko will grant Ichigo his powers. I mean it answered his wish in the beginning is it so unreasonable to think it might happen again? We've understood that the Hougyoko can give power thats what we've recently learned while Ichigo was fighting Aizen earlier. Its just a theory, take it with a grain of salt. Just wondering the hougyouko's role in all of this.
rhejis on September 16th, 2010 11:16 am (UTC)
Just wondering the hougyouko's role in all of this.
Yeah, I wondered about that, too.
Maybe the Hougyoku will see Ichigo as his new "master" or something and...give him his powers back? Or, at least, some sort of power?
I don't know, but it's definitely interesting.
/waits for next week
marvellous monster: green teafikuz on September 16th, 2010 05:13 am (UTC)
Last chapters make me wonder if indeed Kubo intends to end Bleach the way he started it - the last scene being the one where Rukia stubs Ichigo through the heart. It'll prove that Bleach is indeed a story of destiny and not a result of Aizen's, or anyone else's for that matter, manipulations.

nagasasu: Spirited Away - Hakunagasasu on September 16th, 2010 07:12 am (UTC)
That would be a very, very awesome ending.
(no subject) - fikuz on September 16th, 2010 10:00 am (UTC) (Expand)
manonlechat: the scientific methodmanonlechat on September 16th, 2010 05:49 am (UTC)
Aizen has become utterly repulsive. I cannot wait for him to get smackdown.

Verra interesting chapter. Not yet sure in my own head what to make of it, though I like Kubo's switch from external to internal action.

Obligatory I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT GIN and Kira needs to heal him comment here.
_debbiechan_: KUKUKU_debbiechan_ on September 16th, 2010 10:26 am (UTC)

Haha you're relentless. I haven't forgotten Gin either. I'm more certain than ever though that because he didn't close his eyes in his last scene and die for sure that he's going to make it through (although who KNOWS what that means for his role in the long run!)
(no subject) - manonlechat on September 16th, 2010 03:00 pm (UTC) (Expand)