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24 February 2010 @ 11:43 pm
Gene Simmons' Son Plagiarizing Bleach?  
Is Bleach being copied and passed off as an original American comic called Incarnate by Nick Simmons, son of Gene Simmons?



note to non-Bleach readers: all the pictures are labeled, but generally, BLEACH is in black-and-white while INCARNATE is in color.

Side by side from cuddl.


Original pages.


Overlay by aizome


Leftmost: Bleach
Center: Incarnate
Rightmost: overlay (thank you shaolin)


This batch: thanks, cuddl, lackasexical, & CorpusDei@BA.


Merger by aizome


Thanks shaolin & stealthhuman for this comparison.
Left: Bleach
Right: Incarnate


lackasexical for this overlay below.


Incarnate


Bleach


Overlay by lackasexical


Thanks cuddl


Overlay by lackasexical


Thanks cuddl


Overlay by Rubine on Encyclopedia Dramatica


From cuddl:


Leftmost: Incarnate
Rightmost: Bleach
Center Two: overlays by shaolin


Thanks cuddl


Bleach, Bleach, Bleach


Overlay from lackasexical


cuddl


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From cuddl
Left: Incarnate
Right: Bleach


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From foodisverygood
Incarnate


Bleach


From jenny_jade

Left: Bleach
Right: Incarnate


Left: Incarnate
Right: Bleach


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Thanks cuddl


Overlay from Rubine at Encyclopedia Dramatica


Top Color: Incarnate
Bottom B&W: Bleach


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Incarnate


Overlay by lackasexical


From jenny_jade
Bleach


Incarnate


Overlay by kawree


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overlay and pics from lackasexical.
Left: Bleach
Right: Incarnate




Comparison from stealthhuman.

Left: Bleach
Right: Incarnate


Incarnate


fanart of Bleach character Grimmjow by DeviantArtist rae here. Artist site..


Overlay from Rubine at Encyclopedia Dramatica


Thanks anon for this one.

Left: Incarnate
Right: ChaosVoid @ DeviantArt's S T A L K E R


This overlay was anonymously delivered; for non-Bleach readers, the black haired girl visible is Rukia Kuchiki from Bleach; the blonde girl would be Incarnate's.



Incarnate


Bleach


Bleach


Incarnate


NOTES

Many of these Bleach scans were cleaned by the beautiful people at JU-NI. You can visit them here.

A plaintive cry from Wikipedia-ers here who would like to remind people to strive for neutrality.

para_xylene wanted to point out that there are some very specific plot things that seem similar to whitewolf's VAMPIRE: THE MASQUERADE game, so you can take a look and see.

Hellsing comparison posts linked here here and here. and another one from stealthhuman.

More comparison posts linked here regarding the possible plagiarism of One Piece, Hellsing, Deadman Wonderland, Death Note, Naruto, Lupin the 3rd, Neon Genesis Evangelion, The Sandman, Full Metal Alchemist, Wolf's Rain, Death Note, and YGO.

Another comparison post with a DeviantArt by Robbin Graves. from cuddl

RE: THE MOVIE POSTER SIMILARITY. eironoforos would like to say that that picture is actually used by the people who were distributing Incarnate, and not evidence of plagiarism on Nick Simmons' part. Please don't discuss it as such; thank you!

An anon dropped this gift off from Nick Simmons' favorites on DA.

jimsupreme would like to point out the following...

i've been following the whole nick Simmons/incarnate thing for months and was probably the first to mention his ripping off of bleach, hellsing, one piece etc. please feel free to link to my Youtube Show Geeking Out episode # 89 where I first reviewed the book # 98 where I reviewed # 2 #98 where I reviewed #2.

I contacted Radical , Viz and dark horse months ago about this but, at least something is finally being done...
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Lastly, any other BLEACH manga pics in the thread that weren't credited are probably me; but of course, they are all drawn by KUBO TITE.


Incarnate information



CONTACT INFORMATION

Incarnate's Publishers: RADICAL COMICS
Los Angeles (Corporate Headquarters)
Radical Publishing
7421 Beverly Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90036
P: 323-874-4400
F: 323-874-4422
E: radical@radicalcomics.com

VIZ COMICS, the North American license holders for Bleach.
Mailing Address:
VIZ Media, LLC
P.O. BOX 77010
San Francisco, CA 94107

Internet Contact Form (no email addy):

http://www.viz.com/about/contact/contact.php

SHUEISHA, the JP publishers for Bleach.

Shueisha Inc
5-10, 2-Chome, Hitotsubashi, Chiyoda-Hu
101 80 05, Tokyo
JAPAN (NIPPON)

telephone:
+81 (3) 3230 6379

website URL:
http://www.shueisha.co.jp/

editor: Hinoshi Yamazahi

http://www.penrose-press.com/idd/card.php?INDEX=PUB2338&SUBJECT=ALL

Thanks nomoreprinces for the JP contact info.

For the record, I don't care that it's Gene Simmons' son; however, if they're going to try to use some musician's name as a way to sell work that may be copied from another author, I might as well use that same name to gather some attention to such potential copying. Hence the sensationalist subject title.

I'm not the one who caught this; I'm just passing on this message. It came from this original GAMEFAQS thread: by superbot400 here.

It then went to Bleach Asylum; thank you CorpusDei from this thread for many of your first comparisons.

ETA 2: Wow there are a lot of comments in a very short amount of time.
ETA 3: OKAY, if you still have comparison pics, go ahead and post them in the comments. Please do NOT, however, encourage any conspiracies or encourage any harassment... we don't need this comm to get wrapped up in that. You guys are still Bleachness, be classy. Read _debbiechan_'s comment here for clarification.
ETA 4: More pictures.... looks like the Ulquihime scenes are a big hit with Mr. Simmons.
ETA 5: Pictures are going up as I get them in. Thanks people.
ETA 6: KUBO-SENSEI does in fact know.
ETA #9000: Everyone, please stop saying Mr. Nick Simmons replied on Facebook; that one is almost undoubtedly a troll.

KUBO-SENSEI'S TWEETS

From tobu_ishi right here.

So, uh, from yesterday night until this morning, there've been an amazing number of messages from overseas fans along the lines of "There's a manga imitating BLEACH in America!" Well, I had a look at the site and I don't understand English that well, but I think what's written there is something like "It's a manga drawn by Gene Simmons' son, Nick Simmons."

-and-

The fact that Gene Simmon's son is a manga-ka disturbs me more than whether he's really copying or not.

Translator's note: (There have been a lot of mistranslations due to Kubo's use of the word mitai, which means 'something like', but which is a homonym for the differently written word meaning 'want to see'. If he's interested in reading Incarnate, he hasn't said so. Also, a lot of people have translated ki ni naru ('disturbed/worried') as 'interested' (ki ni iru). Figured I'd try and help sort that out.)

FINAL ETA:

Everyone in Bleach fandom who has stepped up to devote time to putting up comparisons and panel-matching to the original work, I really appreciate it. You guys are wonderful -- flat out. To everyone who is keeping a cool head through this incredibly frustration stuff, thank you.

Please cut the conspiracy talk here on Bleachness --- we're not an anonymous troll site, okay, no plotting here --- and no speculation of nasty fates for Mr. Simmons. Seriously. Do not feed trolls, either.

To all the people who ended up on Bleachness for the first time ever or in a very long time, a friendly welcome and please enjoy your stay.


A nice timeline here of the entire business from lightina_hime

Round-up of News Stories:

2/25/2010 Anime News Network: Incarnate Halted over Alleged Bleach Plagiarism

2/25/2010 Comic Book Resources: Radical Halts Nick Simmons' Incarnate Amid Claims of Plagiarism

2/25/2010 Oh No They Didn't

2/25/2010 Gene Simmons' Kid is a...

2/25/2010 Geeks of Doom: Nick Simmons Accused of Plagiarism for Incarnate

2/26/2010 CNN Go.com: Gene Simmons' Son Accused of Bleach Plagiarism

2/27/2010 Magnetic Rose: Guest Post - Fans Accuse Nick Simmons of Plagiarizing Bleach

3/1/2010 Nick Simmons Releases Statement, Takes No Responsibility

3/1/2010 New York Times: Comic Book Creator Accused of Plagiarism

3/2/2010 Magnetic Rose: Nick Simmons Statement on Plagiarism Accusations Claims “Homage” to Bleach Artist

3/2/2010 Naked Singularity: What You Give To a Thief is Stolen

3/2/2010 Topless Robot: Nick Simmons Responds...

3/2/2010 ICv2: Nonapology apology

3/2/2010 Icarus: Falsehoods and Wishful Thinking

Some Legal News Articles

3/3/2010 Nick Simmons, the Internet Mob, and Copyright

3/3/2010 Understanding Incarnate and Comic Book Plagiarism

Miscellaneous Links

Encyclopedia Dramatica: Incarnate

Facebook Group: Calling For Legal Action Against Nick Simmons for Plagiarism

RESPONSE FROM INCARNATE'S PUBLISHERS



ETA 03/01/2010: Mr. Simmons' statement from his publicist here.

“Like most artists I am inspired by work I admire. There are certain similarities between some of my work and the work of others. This was simply meant as an homage to artists I respect, and I definitely want to apologize to any Manga fans or fellow Manga artists who feel I went too far. My inspirations reflect the fact that certain fundamental imagery is common to all Manga. This is the nature of the medium.

I am a big fan of Bleach, as well as other Manga titles. And I am certainly sorry if anyone was offended or upset by what they perceive to be the similarity between my work and the work of artists that I admire and who inspire me.”
 
 
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Ananomoreprinces on February 24th, 2010 02:57 pm (UTC)
address:
Shueisha Inc
5-10, 2-Chome, Hitotsubashi, Chiyoda-Hu
101 50, Tokyo
JAPAN (NIPPON)

telephone:
+81 (3) 3230 6379

website URL:
http://www.shueisha.co.jp/

editor: Hinoshi Yamazahi

http://www.penrose-press.com/idd/card.php?INDEX=PUB2338&SUBJECT=ALL


Kylarakarenai on February 24th, 2010 02:59 pm (UTC)
Editing in right now, thanks a ton.
(no subject) - _debbiechan_ on February 24th, 2010 03:20 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - karenai on February 24th, 2010 03:21 pm (UTC) (Expand)
enisy: Bleach:: Ulquihime (Pwned)enisy on February 24th, 2010 03:02 pm (UTC)
I just saw this on BA. Ridiculous. He's just gonna feel glad that his daddy's pockets run deep, before long.
burkeontheslyburkeonthesly on February 25th, 2010 03:43 pm (UTC)
From what I know of Gene Simmons, "daddy's pockets" might not do much to help Nick.
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Don't Forget A&E DVDs of "reality" Show - alphabeter on February 26th, 2010 10:48 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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Super Nintendo Chalmers: no excuses inoue!strawberries_85 on February 24th, 2010 03:05 pm (UTC)
Oh my, I don't like the look of this if it's true. Not only is Bleach affected, but Hellsing as well apparently. :(

If this is true, the guy is a freaking tool.
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Bucket: Bleach - Nnoitragully_moe on February 24th, 2010 03:08 pm (UTC)
The resemblance is uncanny. O_O
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hinodehhinodeh on February 24th, 2010 03:10 pm (UTC)
Fuck! There goes KT's impression of American fans.

*shows the middle finger to Mr Simmon's son*
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oh gallant piglet,: pistaizome on February 24th, 2010 03:16 pm (UTC)
Shit, he's not even TRYING to get away with it either. It's practically traced:

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Kylara: Orihime - NO EXCUSESkarenai on February 24th, 2010 03:19 pm (UTC)
Thanks -- I was hoping someone would do that. (My 'shop skills are lacking.)

It's not practically. That's pretty much "is totally traced". Urgh.
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Super Nintendo Chalmers: no excuses inoue!strawberries_85 on February 24th, 2010 03:17 pm (UTC)
*Urge to kill rising* D:<

Poor Kubo. This shit sucks. :(
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r0ck3tsci3ntist - sorry, kidding: wtfr0ck3tsci3ntist on February 24th, 2010 03:18 pm (UTC)
WOW! That fucker rips off some many artists I can't even tell you! I recognize one from DA! AND he sucks.

JEEZ!
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Kylarakarenai on February 24th, 2010 03:19 pm (UTC)
As an artist, tell me how this really makes you feel.
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kawaiisdreal1: Angrykawaiisdreal1 on February 24th, 2010 03:25 pm (UTC)
What the hell?
It even looks TRACED! D:
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hinodeh: freulinghinodeh on February 24th, 2010 03:29 pm (UTC)
A lot of Lust arc plagiarism.

Compare: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/350/04/

I feel so dirty after seeing this plagiarized crap.
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kawaiisdreal1: Disgustedkawaiisdreal1 on February 24th, 2010 03:32 pm (UTC)
I knew I recognized that sitting pose.....
(no subject) - karenai on February 24th, 2010 03:39 pm (UTC) (Expand)
『ミカオル』 ☆: sylvestremikaoru on February 24th, 2010 03:37 pm (UTC)
What.a.JERK
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hinodeh: ifurita is scepticalhinodeh on February 24th, 2010 03:47 pm (UTC)
He might be ripping off the big Orihime panel, too.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/6/09/
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kawaiisdreal1: Angrykawaiisdreal1 on February 24th, 2010 04:21 pm (UTC)
Ah, he just turned it upside down! D8
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i hurt the flower.: ❙YOU DO A LITTLE DANCE ANDsnoozy on February 24th, 2010 03:47 pm (UTC)
Dude, it is one thing to get inspiration, and a whole other clearly copying/pasting and making money out of it.
Idk how this guy thought he would get away either, considering everyone and their mother know about Bleach.
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Kismet's Kiss: Hands Ulquihimeinulover4eva648 on February 24th, 2010 03:50 pm (UTC)
...WOW.

Poor Kubo, I hope he doesn't start hating America because of this.

Okay, let's stay optimistic! Besides the pain of legal battle if he obviously makes a claim against this, hopefully, with a settlement and to cease creation and distribution of this "art", Kubo will get paid a lot of money and feel... honored? that someone loved and acknowledged the beauty of his work so much they felt the need to...copy it...?

I'm trying here =/
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Lindsay: Hitsugaya annoyedrinji on February 24th, 2010 03:52 pm (UTC)
I think that if he saw how many of his fans over here were outraged by this blatant copy and made a stand, then he'd be honored. Don't really worry about the backlash.
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Super Nintendo Chalmersstrawberries_85 on February 24th, 2010 03:52 pm (UTC)
An interesting point was brought up on BA. Regarding copyright, how far can one go in terms of selling doujins and commissioning fanart?
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Kylarakarenai on February 24th, 2010 03:56 pm (UTC)
Doujinshi are a gray legal area that I don't really understand -- but I will say, everyone knows that doujinka are not using their own characters but that the art is their own.

Panel tracing will get you in deep shit for sure. I've seen about six different manga that were canceled after they were caught for tracing -- either other manga, advertisements, photographs, etc - so there's at least precedent for tracing being against the rules.
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Insane Slasher: ho shit!akayalovesyaoi on February 24th, 2010 03:54 pm (UTC)
That is so lame. Plagiarizing and not to mention something as popular as Bleach. People have no brains at times.
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aoi24: Marco & Thatchaoi24 on February 24th, 2010 03:54 pm (UTC)
Wow this goes beyond 'influenced by'.

There are loads of artist out there who start out their style emulating successful authors but THIS!!

It's extremely blatant theft. Far too similar to be considered unintentional.
There's a law suit coming, I can practically hear the lawyers frothing in their kennels.
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the cosplayin' cat lady: fandommochavalentino on February 24th, 2010 03:59 pm (UTC)
It's like he didn't even try to make the characters different. If they aren't Hime and Kenny with hairdye...

This goes beyond raeg.
Darksquall: blackadder queenie charmingly psychoticdark_squall on February 26th, 2010 08:39 pm (UTC)
Well, she wouldn't be able to dye blonde over ginger so somewhat ironically she'd have to use Bleach.
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EspadaDinaespadadina on February 24th, 2010 04:01 pm (UTC)
h my dear god.. how in the world he can do this?? I'm so mad about this!! And he gets MONEY for this???!!!

I really hate that guy now... D< and I feel so pity for him. He can't draw his own style like at all and... AGRH... that makes me so mad DDDD:
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Running on Coffee and Schadenfreudearcadiasilver on February 24th, 2010 04:06 pm (UTC)
I hope this guy gets sued. I hope this guy gets sued so hard that it gets national media attention and not only exposes him and his publishers for allowing this to go on, but brings more attention to Bleach and other worthy manga.

He thinks being American and Kubo being Japanese means he's safe? Keep dreaming. Maybe Daddy will have enough money to settle the millions of dollars settlement this better wind up in.
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Silvia: gtfonightshade_ave on February 24th, 2010 04:07 pm (UTC)
This makes me rage like no other. I loved the show "Gene Simmons Family Jewels" and Nick was hilarious, why the hell would he try to plagiarize so blatantly?! This is ridiculous, stupid, horrifying, URGH. So many emotions right now.

It's not even inspired by, he traced the goddamn panels. That's just... >:C!!

I really really hope Kubo doesn't hate American fans because of this. And I want Nick to die in a fire. >:C

*uses icon she saves for the most extreme cases to show appropriate disgust*
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deathlike on February 24th, 2010 04:26 pm (UTC)
I really really hope Kubo doesn't hate American fans because of this. And I want Nick to die in a fire. >:C

I don't think so. Bleach and Hellsing fans speak in volumes, literally. Consider how popular both of series are anyway in anime-manga industry.

This is just one moron kid with a rock and roll dad

There's also something called Creative Commons Rights
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jl: let's kill these bitches {bleach}trex_in_boots on February 24th, 2010 04:14 pm (UTC)
And here I thought he seemed like an alright guy...ugh what a douche.
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flippantsoup: pic#98300412flippantsoup on February 24th, 2010 04:18 pm (UTC)
The character designs are actually better than Bleach. Where can I read this manga?
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hinodeh: yelling alitahinodeh on February 24th, 2010 04:20 pm (UTC)
WTF are you serious? This is plagiarized artwork. Don't support that kind of theft!
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 Lol: Luffy - Sad Captainnice_babana on February 24th, 2010 04:30 pm (UTC)
Silvia: weaksaucenightshade_ave on February 24th, 2010 04:34 pm (UTC)
Worf dissaproves of this bullshit. >:[
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r0ck3tsci3ntist - sorry, kidding: birdr0ck3tsci3ntist on February 24th, 2010 04:37 pm (UTC)
Oh it's ripped from Rea! I knew I had seen that one before! Good God, what a fuckatrd!
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