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18 May 2008 @ 09:37 am
Bleach's Final Batte: An Arguement Against Aizen vs Ichigo  
Greetings all

Though I've been commenting here for a couple months this is my first actual post to the community and I hope that you find this interesting.

I have been thinking for a while that the opponents that Ichigo has been facing in Bleach, at least since the start of the Soul Society arc have been forming a pattern. And unless we can some rather startling revelations some time in the future, Aizen simply doesn't fit that pattern and I'm of the opinion that Kubo canny an author to throw all that work and pattern building simply for the sake of having following the formula of designated protagonist vs designated antagonist.

The basic idea is that all the major opponents that Ichigo has faced to date have had something with him in terms of personality.

Ichigo's 'main' fights to date have been with Renji, Byakuya, Kenpachi and Grimmjow and I'll take a look at them on  a case by case basis. I don't include his fights with Dordonii and Ikkaku becuase those both served the purpose of establishing the threat of his future opponents and giving Ichigo to show off the results of his latest training rather than advancing the plot.

First up is Renji both figuratively and chronologically. Both share similar loud and brash personalities but the true parallels didn't start to become clear until we got into the flashbacks chronicalling his shared past with Rukia. Both Renji and Ichigo shared close bonds with Rukia but Renji allowed himself to be cowed by the rules and authorirty of his superiors to the point where he not only didn't help her but actively assisted in detaining Rukia and delivering her up for punishment. This is a sharp contrast to Ichigo who follows his own instincts and goes to Rukia's aid. Despite the righteous smack down Ichigo delivers courtesy of a Getuga Tensho Renji doesn't fully become one of the good guys until he takes up arms against those who threaten Rukia (in the form of Byakuya) and tries to save her himself.

Next up comes Byakuya and as befitting a more formidable opponent his trangression is that much greater. Ichigo and Byakuya a both elder brothers and for all that he is sometimes aloof and a little distant from his sisters, they are very important to him and attacking them is a sure fire method of pissing him off no end, as proven by his fight with Grand Fisher. Jokes about 15 and strawberries aside, but the basic concept is even embedded in his name for crying out loud. Likewise Byakuya is an elder brother and even if it is only by adoption delivering his sister up for execution is possibly an even greater offense than Renji's betrayal of a friend. It goes against Ichigo's very identity and unlike Renji Byakuya doesn't even have the good grace to look conflicted about it. We can sympathise with Byakuya a little later on when we learn exactly what was going on inside his head all that time and he earns points for helping Rukia and Renji join up with Ichigo in Hueco Mundo but he doesn't earn his full redemption until he does the right thing (aka what Ichigo would do)  when he arrives in Hueco Mundo himself. And he finally erases all past sins with one line. "You dared point your sword at my pride," finally earning himself membership in the 'Big Brothers Club'

Third comes Kenpachi and he is a somewhat different beast from the other two. Renji and Byakuya's trangression were in respect to their relationships with Rukia and their actions but Kenpachi contrasts to Ichigo in simply who he is. From the very first chapter Ichigo proved that he is quick to violence but while Ichigo's violent tendecies to violence are curbed by his sense of responsibility and ethics. Kenpachi on the other hand has few if any restraints upon his violent impulses. Even the few people close to him are more likely to egg him on in a fight than try and stop him. He is basically what Ichigo might become is he ever loses control of his own tendency towards violence and it is not without reason that Kenpachi was the form that Ichigo's own fighting instincts during his fight in his inner world.
Oddly enough though Kenpachi, unlike Renji and Byakuya needs no redemption. He stands as a warning as what might happen to the hero but he is guilty of no transgression and as such has nothing to make up for. He is a force of nature, deadly and without compassion but in his own way innocent. Rather than atoning for mistakes you simply unleash him upon a target and stand back to view the carnage.

Finally we come to Grimmjow and he is Ichigo's dark mirror, his evil side manifested externally. White to Ichigo's black, a hollow who has taken on shinigami powers against a shinigami who has developed hollow powers. To complete the contrast Grimmjow even came complete with his own team of followers to contrast with Ichigo's own. Tellingly perhaps is that Ichigo could only overcome Grimmjow by mastering his own inner evil side, even surpassing the time limit one the use of the mask that has plagued him so often. Whether Grimmjow will be redeemed, or if he even can be remains in the hands of Kubo-sensei but the parallels remain.

All that having been said Aizen and for that matter Ulquiorra, just don't fit the pattern as they stand at the moment. They reflect nothing of Ichigo and they don't even seem the type to give some manzai style boke/tsukommi act that Ichigo engaged in during his fights with Ikkaku and Dordonii. Its entirely possible that Kubo-sensei will give us some insight into Aizen's personality or background that will link him to Ichigo in some fashion but if that doesn't happen and given my above stated belief that Kubo-sensei wouldn't build a pattern and then abandon it for no good reasn as things stand now I am predicting that Ichigo's final opponent will be some as yet unrevealed character.

That's just my thoughts on the matter. What do you think?
Current Mood: thoughtfulspeculative
V to the A to the D-E-R (Vader!)jaina on May 18th, 2008 01:52 am (UTC)
I've been thinking for a long time that while Ichigo will no doubt be critical in the final battle (whatever that is) but Aizen is just not his arch-enemy, and Ichigo is just another cog in Aizen's plans.
Becky: Bleach - Anime!Ulquiorragully_moe on May 18th, 2008 02:24 am (UTC)
Yes I agree, I can't picture Ichigo being the one to defeat Aizen. Not only because of strength differences, but he doesn't seem to be a real opponent to him. Yes he realizes he is the one behind this, but he finds Grimmjow and Ulquiorra to be real opponents. Grimmjow after all hurt Rukia and Ulquiorra kidnapped Orihime. It seems that he wants to fight those that are real threats to him personally. He didn't really want to fight Dordonii... because he seemed weak to him.

It's possible that he'll try to fight Ulquiorra, but I don't think he could beat him easily.
SilvaNoir: Orihimexilvrin on May 18th, 2008 02:44 am (UTC)
I'll agree with this. I can see another Ulquiorra vs. Ichigo fight... but not Ichigo vs. Aizen. Aizen so far beynd Ichigo in terms of power... I think it will be someone much older/powerful to defeat Aizen if Aizen is defeated at all.
Danielwdboldstar on May 18th, 2008 03:39 am (UTC)
I like your analysis of each of Ichigo's major fights, and I think there's some good observation there, but I'm still of the strong opinion that We'll have an Ulquiorra vs. Ichigo fight very soon, likely almost immediately after we come back from the recent round of flashbacks.

To continue the idea of contrast with Ichigo, Ulquiorra could be seen as sort of a side of "giving in." Ulquiorra, of all the Espada, has seemed to be the one that might have had a truly noble soul at one point. Quiet, stoic, chivalrous. However, there seems to be an aura of despair and nihilism around him, which pervades his thoughts, words, and actions, and even his character album. It is not that he is pure evil or delights in carnage, but that he sees weakness and suffering as the only truths in the world, truths he can no longer fight, and therefore accepts with the same stoic quietness as he once had when he was good. Ichigo is the man who still fights, who does not give in to either his Hollow side or the Evil in the world.

Now Aizen? Yeah, I can see Ichigo not delivering the final blow. Aizen, Gin, and Tousen are, in many ways, still an "internal affair." I actually see Hitsugaya as a prime candidate for fighting Aizen, not only because he keeps topping popularity polls, but because he feels an obligation to Hinamori to avenge her. He might heed her words and try to bring Aizen back, or he might straight up Avenge her, but it seems likely that he will square off against him and possibly defeat him. Likewise, I expect Matsumoto may be allowed to square off against Gin and obtain the answers she seems to seek about him. Komamura, of course, will fight Tousen, his friend, and try to understand his justice.

In the end, part of me wants Ichigo to fight against Soul Society again, to reform it in some meaningful way. Aizen being a reformer who became Nihilistic who becoming less and less likely to me, but I think Tousen, at least, fits this category, and I'd like to see the clear problems of Soul Society addressed more strongly, possibly via Ichigo. Right now, he's too proud of being a Shinigami to really fight against the evident corruption in Soul Society (Which has only been highlighted more by the flashbacks, really), but maybe in the future.
Becky: Bleach - Shinjigully_moe on May 18th, 2008 04:51 am (UTC)
As much as having Hitsugaya fighting Aizen makes sense, I don't think he'd last. I would hate it if he was the one who defeated Aizen just because... well he's overrated in my opinion. I'm almost starting to loath him because of his popularlity. I'm sorry Hitsu fans, but I just don't see what's so great about him. I don't hate him, but I just can't see why he should get the glory just because he's popular. If Kubo were to make him be the one to defeat him, I would say he's stretching it to try to satisfy the fans.

Another reason why it wouldn't work is because Hitsugaya is the youngest captain with the least experience, and having him defeat Aizen would just be unrealistic.

If anything, I think it'd make the most sense for Shinji, Urahara and Yamji together to defeat him. For many reasons, and as these new chapters unfold I think that's how it's gonna be....
Danielwdboldstar on May 18th, 2008 05:45 am (UTC)
I don't know. If anything, I think Yama-ji is going to die. For me, he still represents the old corruption that let the Vaizards and Rukia's execution and etc. actually happen, so blindly for Tradition that he doesn't see the atrocious condition of Soul Society and the sorry state of the Shinigami. I think he's due for a fall so real reform can come into the Soul Society via the "nobler" Captains such as Ukitake and Shunsui and Komamura.

I'm not completely sold on Hitsu defeating Aizen, though. It's a possibility, and it might make some sense, but there's part of me who thinks he may go after Gin on behalf of Matsumoto too, and to finish their battle from the SS arc. It's also possible he may try to attack Aizen to "avenge" Hinamori and be hurt again, then on to one or more of the Vaizards or someone else fighting him.
_debbiechan_: Ulqui by ariol_debbiechan_ on May 18th, 2008 03:39 pm (UTC)

I'm not completely sold on Hitsu defeating Aizen, though.

My son would have a fangasm of epic proportions and you would be able to hear my weeping across continents if Shiro-chan were to fight Aizen. I'm holding out for Aizen fighting Shinji at this point--I used to think his opponent was Urahara but after the gaiden I want Shinji!

NIIIIIIIICE post kohi_no_tora I'd considered before how Ichigo's opponents are shadows of himself and how, in typical myth-quest fashion, bring forth some better part of Ichigo after the battle--and then there's Ichigo's magical "good guy" touch which turns enemies fought into allies (this effect hasn't been confirmed with Grimmjow yet but we're all waiting for him to get up). Beautiful observations about Kenpachi.

Ulquiorra, I believe, is a necessary battle--Ichigo's been downed by the guy and shounen law says Ichigo has to fight him. I'm not sure that the battle won't be interrupted or that Orihime won't take charge of the whole situation.

Aizen? Not Ichigo's. His story is outside of Ichigo's sphere and like Daniel, I expect old man Yama to die and changes to happen in SS that are on the periphery of Ichigo's involvement.

Edited at 2008-05-18 03:40 pm (UTC)
kohi_no_torakohi_no_tora on May 18th, 2008 09:51 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure that the battle won't be interrupted or that Orihime won't take charge of the whole situation

Agreed on that regard. There will be a fight between Ichigo and Ulquiorra but Ichigo's not going to be the one to conclude it. I'm hoping for Orihime to be the one to actually finish it becuase narrative causality gives her greater rights to finishing off Ulquiorra than even Ichigo.

She also had dibs on Nnoitora in some regards since his past interactions with Nell got to mirror some of Orihime's recent actions with Ichigo but Kubo obviously decided that the time was not right.
_debbiechan__debbiechan_ on May 18th, 2008 09:58 pm (UTC)

She also had dibs on Nnoitora in some regards since his past interactions with Nell got to mirror some of Orihime's recent actions with Ichigo but Kubo obviously decided that the time was not right.

Would you explain this further? Sounds interesting. Nnoitra/Neliel mirroring Ichigo/Orihime?
kohi_no_torakohi_no_tora on May 19th, 2008 02:44 am (UTC)
Basically in Nnoitora's anger, need to prove himself and at least some of his misogyny comes from his frustration at Nell protecting him back when he was Espada 8. He's basically a warning about what happens when protection is taken too far and how it can be just as destructive as actively trying to hurt someone.

In that sense Nell mirrors Ichigo's position as a protector but the only one that Nnoitora can only mirror Orihime since all of Ichigo's other friends have basically told Ichigo off when he gets too overprotective.
_debbiechan_: Neliel_debbiechan_ on May 19th, 2008 08:40 pm (UTC)

Ohhhhhh. Cool. That's true. I hadn't thought of that.
(Anonymous) on April 19th, 2010 07:48 pm (UTC)
ummm.... ive red the manga, and Ichigo surpasses Shinji to the point where Shinji is relying on Ichigo to get back from Hueco Mundo to save everybody, including all the captains
(Anonymous) on April 19th, 2010 07:52 pm (UTC)
plus since Ichigo has never seen Aizen's Shikai, the illusions wont work against Ichigo, The soul reapers knew this and consist Ichigo as an ace in the hole
Becky: Bleach - Aizen/Orihimegully_moe on May 18th, 2008 05:00 pm (UTC)
Yes, I can see this happening too. But I would think at least that he will fight Aizen, seeing as it looks like he's going to.
Akiaharaakiahara on May 18th, 2008 07:25 am (UTC)
I've actually been thinking the same thing about who Aizen's final opponents might be. First, Ichigo isn't nearly powerful enough yet. Ulquiorra is still completely out of league, and it'd have to be an insane boost of power for him to defeat even the stronger espada. I can't imagine anything giving him the sort of strength he would need to defeat Aizen. Kubo-sensei could always have something up his sleeve, though.

Secondly, I don't see someone who has had next to no contact with Aizen being the one to face him in the end. I've always liked the idea of Urahara being one of them, since he's a plotter of sorts (of course I just want him to have a larger part of the story since I adore him, but he can't have all this buildup for nothing)... and knowing what we do now, Shinji makes perfect sense. Depending on the exact events that made the vaizard, I believe they'll have a bigger role to play than might at first been apparent.

Hitsugaya has plenty of reason to go after Aizen, but he's not strong enough, IMO. Wasn't it said, before the Hueco Mundo arc, that Hitsugaya's abilities weren't fully developed? There are others who seem stronger, and I just don't see Hitsugaya surprising them. I'd be a little disappointed if that were the case.

I actually agree with wdboldstar, too, about Yamamoto. I think SS needs to reform and that won't happen with him in charge.
Becky: Bleach - Ishidagully_moe on May 18th, 2008 05:01 pm (UTC)
Exactly, and also Hitsugaya fought Yammi, and I think he was even using his bankai, but he struggled. Yammi is the 10th, so I don't think he could be able to fight the top 3 espada even.

I'm betting he'll fight Gin with Rangiku.
kohi_no_torakohi_no_tora on May 18th, 2008 07:23 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'm still not realling feeling the the Ichigo vs Ulquiorra thing. I'm predicting that this fight will be of the abortive kind. Either something is going to intervene and prevent them from fighting or someone else is going to come in and kill steal Ichigo.
r0ck3tsci3ntist - sorry, kidding: L knows betterr0ck3tsci3ntist on May 18th, 2008 03:42 pm (UTC)
Something like that could certainly happen but it would be out of line for most shounen manga. Since Ulqui defeated Ichi soundly once before, generally Ichi would get a chance to get his own back, so to speak. That's usually the way shounen works.

You could be right though, someone else, like maybe Byakuya, might jump in.
Kim!: Mmm... Jump...spartydragon on May 18th, 2008 04:16 am (UTC)
IAWTC. Ichigo is definately a key player in the Winter War, but he won't be the one to Kill Aizen. That might be Urahara, or Shinji or Kensei... yeah. Ichigo's gonna have to get in line for that one. XD
nehalenianehalenia on May 18th, 2008 05:00 am (UTC)
That's a really neat analysis of Ichigo's opponents and how they are his mirrors or opposites. I hadn't thought about it, but it makes sense and has a kind of story-telling elegance about it. I also don't think Ichigo will take Aizen down, but I'm pretty sure he's going to have something to do with Ulquiorra. Thing is, I'm not sure how Ichigo is going to take him down since he couldn't before. The story-teller in me wants that to end up being Orihime's battle. Because she was able to put Ichigo behind her shield and keep him there, I'm wondering if she won't do the same to keep Ichigo and Ulquiorra from killing each other. We shall just have to see...
kohi_no_torakohi_no_tora on May 18th, 2008 07:29 am (UTC)
Actually Orihime being the one to take down Ulquiorra makes a lot of narrative sense. Of all the protagonists she has the greatest degree of emotional investment in his defeat, more so than Ichigo himself and it may finally snap her out of her current malaise.
nehalenianehalenia on May 18th, 2008 07:49 am (UTC)
Well, Ichigo has failed every time he's tried to defeat Ulquiorra by himself, but maybe with a little help, who knows? ;-)
Danielwdboldstar on May 18th, 2008 09:20 am (UTC)
The idea of Orihime having to pick between Ulquiorra and Ichigo is an intriguing one, but I see enough tension between them that Orihime would genuinely hesitate before dispatching Ulquiorra. I tend to see a little bit of Stockholm Syndrome in the long lingering looks Orihime has been seen to give Ulquiorra, or calling his name upon hearing something at her cell door, and etc.

Of course, I believe that Ichigo will once again be nearly taken over by his Hollow side (He's been gradually losing control all arc), and that the Hollow side will defeat Ulquiorra and nearly swallow Ichigo before Rukia gets it under control, so my perceptions there may be tainted.
kohi_no_torakohi_no_tora on May 18th, 2008 11:06 am (UTC)
(He's been gradually losing control all arc)

I... honestly can't see that. There's been not a peep Shirosaki since his training with the Vizard and his ability to sustain the mask and summon it after losing it have been increasing rather than decreasing, indicating more control not less.

And if it's about the eyes, that's not a sign on Shirosaki on the rise becuase both Shinji and Hiyori who are in full control of their Hollow powers do that to when they summon their masks.
Danielwdboldstar on May 18th, 2008 03:29 pm (UTC)
It's been pretty obvious to me. Ichigo talks about protection, but for the most part, he doesn't really follow through on that. Mostly, it's just looking for excuses to fight Grimmjow and Ulquiorra: Two people who humiliated him in the past. Grimmjow was right when he observed that Ichigo wasn't really there to rescue Orihime or protect his friends, he was there to fight.

That lust for fighting is more subtle than being pulled into his inner world and being taunted and stabbed by Shirosaki, sure, but the type of bullhead lust for violence he's shown for most of the arc is going to get him into trouble. When he's faced with a power like Ulquiorra, It may be that he'll be pushed over the edge again.

At the least, he's obviously due for a Shirosaki resurgence, from my point of view. He cut his Vaizard training way short, and Shirosaki specifically said that he'd always be waiting in the wings to take over. Both of those really feel like they're chickens that need to come home to roost soon.
kohi_no_torakohi_no_tora on May 18th, 2008 09:36 pm (UTC)
Hmmm, I was just reading that as typical shounen protagonist impulsiveness. Especially as he was even going to ignore Ulquiorra until he was deliberately provked.
And in Ichigo's defence, both Ulquiorra and Grimmjow were gunning for him.

I suppose only time and Kubo-sensei will reveal who is right.
r0ck3tsci3ntist - sorry, kidding: L knows betterr0ck3tsci3ntist on May 18th, 2008 02:07 pm (UTC)
Personally I think this line of reasoning (wdboldstar's) is pretty sound. I've been shot down for it in other places (kindly) but I think the ground work for this scenario has been laid. Orihime can contain Ichigo with her shield - I think this will figure in the fight but it will only be a step. If Kenpatchi can simply knock her shield aside, then so can Ulquiorra.

kohi_no_tora's analysis is very interesting but leaving Ulquiorra out of the equation is a mistake. Ulquiorra is extremely observant and seems to have been monitoring Ichigo pretty carefully. I believe Ulquiorra may make a bid to appeal to Shirosaki, who made a point of warning Ichigo that he was always waiting. Shiro will rise when Ichi is beaten so far that he cannot control him anymore. Ulqui was too fast to kill Ichi before but now I think he will be slower to beat Ichi in order to give Shiro the chance to rise up.

Along the lines of kohi_no_tora reasoning though, I think Ulquuiorra is the antithesis of Ichigo. Through whatever process of his hollow evolution Ulquiorra has become a nihilist (i like wdboldstar's reasoning on that) and Ichigo has an almost irrational desire to care for everyone.

Nice post!

ps - sorry for all the edits! >_<
_debbiechan_: Ulqui by ariol_debbiechan_ on May 18th, 2008 03:25 pm (UTC)

Ulquiorra has become a nihilist and Ichigo has an almost irrational desire to care for everyone.

And given Ichigo's magical ability to transform just about everyone he fights into a BETTER person ....


Ulquiorra seems one tough nut to crack but I want to see it.
I also want to see Hime be part of a double team to get water from a stone.
r0ck3tsci3ntist - sorry, kidding: L knows betterr0ck3tsci3ntist on May 18th, 2008 03:54 pm (UTC)
I think one of the reasons Ichi is able to bring out 'goodness', or whatever, in his opponents to date is because they have all been lying to themselves in some basic way and Ichi has a way of showing themselves their fallacies. Ulquiorra though, is unfailingly honest so it will be an Ichi challenge. Plus Ichi has become increasingly involved with his own battle lust.

It would be interesting though, if Ichi can somehow show Ulquiorra that there is something worth caring about in life... Uhm.
Danielwdboldstar on May 18th, 2008 08:01 pm (UTC)
I don't know that Ulquiorra's exactly honest. In fact, I think he's the opposite. To me, it seems like he might actually be a gentle, chivalrous soul, but plunged into a world of eat or be eaten like Hueco Mundo, he has shut that away in order to survive, convincing himself that everything is trash, and that the world is a dark and twisted place. His whole Bleach Beat Album to me sounds like a man who IS hopeless, who might want to love or find joy in the world but has been hurt too much to expect it, so he lies to himself in order to survive, in order to hide away the part of his heart that loves.

"That's what happens when you cling to hope
You set yourself up for despair"

"Think of our world
It is meaningless to instigate it
Pass quickly over those trivial thoughts. Moreover, crush them."

"Ah, my prediction was right. This is the trivial world
I'm not sure what will become of it
Well then, I'll do as I please CRUSH THE WORLD DOWN"

To me, those lyrics are Ulquiorra telling himself that any thoughts of peace he might have are trivial and must be crushed, because it is too much to think they might be worth something, and clinging to hope will lead to despair.

I really do think that Ulquiorra, even more than Grimmjow may be a redeemable Espada. He may still die, but I like to think he may somehow find redemption before he closes his eyes for good.
r0ck3tsci3ntist - sorry, kidding: L knows betterr0ck3tsci3ntist on May 18th, 2008 08:41 pm (UTC)
Oh I've never seen a translation of those lyrics! Is that the whole thing? Very interesting. Hey, if there's more, would mind very much posting it? I'd like to compare them to some buddhist ideology I've been studying. It sounds a bit like there may be a connection.

I too would like to think that Ulquiorra is capable of a change in heart, if not a full-scale turnaround (I don't really see him going that far).
Danielwdboldstar on May 19th, 2008 05:30 am (UTC)

Here's the english translation I found. I think it's a fan translation, but I'd assume they're probably somewhat close to the actual lyrics.

I admit that a large part of my theorizing about Ulquiorra may be rampant fanboyism, but I honestly do see much more possibilities in him for reform than I do in Grimmjow. I don't think he's going to completely reform, but I do think he may assist the Shinigami or protect Orihime at a crucial moment due to the noble soul he supresses due to his own despair.
_debbiechan_: Ulqui by ariol_debbiechan_ on May 18th, 2008 09:18 pm (UTC)

Kubo is credited with writing those lyrics, ne? He usually writes one set on each Bleach Beat CD
Becky: Bleach - Ulquiorragully_moe on May 18th, 2008 09:42 pm (UTC)
Thank you for sharing this... *feels all gooshie inside*
moonlightopal: original bad assmoonlightopal on May 18th, 2008 05:07 am (UTC)
You're right Ichigo will not be the one to fight Aizen unless Kubo does some amazing powerleveling and plot forming between the two. (Like directly threatening his family.) Though I am holding out for Isshin to kick ass and sincerely hope that he will be doing some pwnage in the next chunk of Aizen vs. world.
Vayshti: bleachvayshti on May 18th, 2008 04:23 pm (UTC)
I like how the fights these characters have with Ichigo transform them - and I actually think Kenpachi fits the pattern in just the same way as Renki and Byakuya.

Kenpachi was always, as you pointed out, about violence and brute strength - with it he could just smash his way through everything until his fight with Ichi.

It was this fight that made him question the path of brute strength as the only method forward, hence his new desire to discover the name of his zanpaktutou...

I'd consider this his redemption.
kohi_no_torakohi_no_tora on May 18th, 2008 09:38 pm (UTC)
Hadn't considered that point and it's a good one. Admittedly it's been a while since I read those chapters or watched the corresponding episodes of the anime.
(Anonymous) on October 31st, 2008 06:52 pm (UTC)
I think kubo is an amazing when it come to story plotting and leaving us all guessing what will be the out come of the battle but my opinion is that ichi vs ulqui whould be something hard to predict what would be the out come of it but i am hopeing that ichi will win this battle but i am sure there is going to be something big between them two and i know that ulqui will reveal something important after the battle is over and im a 100% sure that orehime will get hurt due to the out come of the battle.
(Anonymous) on March 6th, 2009 11:02 pm (UTC)
Ichigo in the end
What matters to me right now its how will ichigo reach the end. since in his current battle against ulquiorra in his released form, he is not really top shape if i could say... and schiffer is simply to powerful for him...
(Anonymous) on June 26th, 2009 05:29 pm (UTC)
I can see Ichigo fighting Sosuke in the end. He will be badly wounded, and then Captain Kenpachi and Captain Kuchiki will step in with Shinji and his Vizard army. Aizen will effortlessly defeat them all as Orihime heals Ichigo. He will awaken as Shirosaki and kill Aizen the same way he killed Ulquiorra.
(Anonymous) on March 18th, 2010 11:03 am (UTC)
final fight
i think these three people should show up now
- Ukitake
- Urahara
- Shinji (In his bankai)

After aizen getting throu yamaji i think ichigo should put up a good fight against aizen if not bleach should reveal squad 0 with ichigo's dad saving him otherwise yamaji should revive his rujin jakka and finish off aizen.

other critic could be that Ukitake or Urahara fight against aizen
and should end his saga coz the writter is really pushing to a limit

my question is how can Kyouraku Shunsui and Ukitake fall they should be stronger than all the captains. Or why doesnt Urahara fights Aizen has he is hold sogyoko which Urahara only understands it?
can anyone predict?
(Anonymous) on March 25th, 2010 12:10 pm (UTC)
like i said
so out of all ichigo's dad comes in finaly and will woop aizens ass.
i said earlier

from Ukitake, Sunsui, Shinji

not his dad will come.